No need to ID that scroll...

[Seany C]

Ouch - gets me back to one of my occasional worries about 'band equipment. If you're not wearing armour, does that make up absolutely starkers or just wearing (0,0) unspecified clothes? No wonder my low-stealth characters aggravate the town/dungeon early on...

[buzzkill]

Question: what happens if you strip completely and...

Not sure about the curse aromour, but personally, I would never read a 'curse weapon' while nude. Who knows what horrible handicap the RNG would inflict upon you .

[Nick]

I suppose you're laughing again.

No, that's too close to my kind of reasoning to be funny.

[PowerDiver]

Yep. And we're laughing

But if I stop playing ironman, I will have to finalize my buy-out-button patch. And if I cross Tak on that, I've promised myself I have to add a couple of options. But I don't feel like mucking with the code relating to birth options.

I suppose you're laughing again.

[Nick]

i suppose you'll say it's my own damned fault for playing ironman.

Yep. And we're laughing

[PowerDiver]

Actually, the curse scrolls have been toned down to just heavy curse, rather than utterly destroy items. I'm not particularly interested in discouraging people from doing ID-by-use.

My new and improved thanc(+9,+12) still got dropped to (-3,-3). Keeping the 2d4 dice means that I haven't died yet, but that may well just be delaying the inevitable. Also, the heavy curse means that afterwards it is impossible to id weapons by use because I cannot wield them! Swap weapons are out. All ego weapons have turned into junk.

Only 3 ?id all game, and 1 ?curseWeapon and 2 ?curseArmor. Does not seem right.

i suppose you'll say it's my own damned fault for playing ironman.

[kicker]

Ringil at 1350? The RNG will have something horrible in store for you soon, anyway...

I'm sure it would have, but why wait for bad luck when I've got stupidity?

[Mondkalb]

...
Question: what happens if you strip completely and then read curse armor, curse weapon? do you get a 'nothing happened' and an unid'd {tried} scroll?

Then you will get the message
"It breathes - you die"

[fizzix]

Actually, the curse scrolls have been toned down to just heavy curse, rather than utterly destroy items. I'm not particularly interested in discouraging people from doing ID-by-use.

well...curse scrolls are still strong enough that id by use is very dangerous when you reach their native depths. However, I think that this is fine. ID by use is really important for the first 30 levels. By the time you're past this you can afford to buy enough identifies to not worry about it anymore.

Question: what happens if you strip completely and then read curse armor, curse weapon? do you get a 'nothing happened' and an unid'd {tried} scroll?

[d_m]

Imagine if the "swap pvals" was done naively, and someone intentionally "cursed" mormegil to make it a good weapon.

Two wrongs don't make a right!

[takkaria]

I spotted it - but I thought it might be blasphemous to ascribe Ringil's ruination to the RNG, rather than player daftness.

It could have been worse - at least the +10 to speed didn't get reversed. A really nasty Curse Armor/Weapon scroll might flip all the Pvals to negatives...

Actually, the curse scrolls have been toned down to just heavy curse, rather than utterly destroy items. I'm not particularly interested in discouraging people from doing ID-by-use.

[emulord]

Imagine if the "swap pvals" was done naively, and someone intentionally "cursed" mormegil to make it a good weapon.

[Bill Peterson]

Most likely the only reason it didn't go to -10 speed is that none of the previous developers thought to add that feature to Curse Weapon - look for a bug or feature request ticket to appear shortly.

But isn't it good to know that the game always has a surprise, even for the most experienced players? Disaster can strike at any time. Sort of like the definition of a good slasher flick - "anyone can die at any moment"

[Seany C]

Look a little more closely...
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I spotted it - but I thought it might be blasphemous to ascribe Ringil's ruination to the RNG, rather than player daftness.

It could have been worse - at least the +10 to speed didn't get reversed. A really nasty Curse Armor/Weapon scroll might flip all the Pvals to negatives...

[fizzix]

There's a lesson here. Always ID scrolls that you find after dlevel 25 until you find both curse armor and curse weapon. Those will kill your game.