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So for this first time I'm seriously playing a rogue, and I'm loving it! I'm a hobbit rogue and its so much fun. I think the melee boost in 3.1 is probably part of it, but in any case, I had never really tried one and it may become my favorite class. I love sneaking around the dungeon.
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Yes, they're great. I play High Elf rogues, because they're almost cheesily stealthy and enable me to dive very quickly. I can now reliably get to 3000' in around 100k turns - but the problem is that I've usually got <300hp so things start getting very dangerous. I might try playing a slightly less stealthy character so that I have to go a bit more slowly ...
CC"Been away so long I hardly knew the place, gee it's good to be back home" - The Beatles -
Yep, I'm a fan. I learned to love the class playing NPP and Quickband, where it's even more formidable. (I prefer High Elf and Kobold as the most straightforward choices for class.) Kobold has a few more HP than hobbit, and intrinsic RPoison is far more useful than RLife.Comment
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I really like half-troll rogues because they can test potions and step onto traps without losing blows.Comment
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@eddie,
that is not at all the reason I expected. I figured it was for the big boost in STR (3 blows to start) and HP (bigger dice, bigger CON) and faster regen of both HP and SP.
I like HT Rogue, too. But I still find the high-stealth races a bit more tractable.Comment
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I think, especially with the new generation system, you can get 3 blows with other races, but then just one hit to STR or DEX and you are down to 2 blows.
I find the game much more fun when I quaff potions to identify them, and that means that with any race other than a half-troll I drop to 2 blows even if I start with 3.
Your points are all spot on, and I used to think they were the difference, but I have decided the lack of stealth and magic-device rates counteract them somewhat over the course of a game. I now prefer half-trolls primarily because I can test potions without worrying. I don't think they are necessarily better [though they may be], but are simply more fun.Comment
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Stat drains from potions just don't happen anymore. (Stat drain potions are eliminated in 3.1, and replaced with +1,-1 potions that almost never show up in a dive.) Same holds for mushrooms. That leaves traps, and I almost never run into a drain strength trap before I can cast detect traps reliably as a half-decent casting Rogue. (You reach cl 20 fast as a Kobold, and there's a pretty good chance of finding a Rod or staff of Trap Detection.)Comment
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Well, my hobbit died YASD (white wolves). Maybe I'll try one of the other suggested races (HE, Kobold, HT).Comment
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I had one rogue winner and tried numerous other without further luck. But today things seem to change.
This is going to be ridiculous.
I am playing a Kobold rogue, starting today. I had a little bit of trouble, but found a whip of extra blows (+2) at 500 feet or so and went down fast (very lucky). With five blows due to a ring of speed all the orc bosses were no problem for the first time in my Angband life.
I worried about see invisible and free action because their was nothing to be seen either in the dungeon nor in the black market until:
The Cloak of Thorongil dropped by Wormtongue at 1000 feet (level 20)
That was right in time I thougt.
Next level:
The Long Sword Anduril lying on the floor at 1050 feet (level 21)
That gives me another boost. Recalled to town, dropped the ring of damage and bought a ring of dexterity in the black market so I get three blows with Anduril.
This means also an early end for the Mim family, because of rDisenchant.
Back in the dungeon:
The Cloak Holcolleth dropped by Angamaite of Umbar at 1400 feet (level 28)
even better than Thorongil with +2 speed.
The Phial of Galadriel dropped by an Algroth on 1650 feet (level 33)
The Spear Nimloth dropped by a Forest Troll at 1700 feet (level 34)
The Zweihander Gurthang dropped by a Cave Troll at 1700 feet (level 34)
The Hard Leather Cap of Thranduil droped by a Ghoul at 1700 feet (level 34)
I'm scared to hell of going deeper.
Probably some terrible out of depth monster lurks around the next corner. ^^
Code:[Angband 3.1.1 dev (r1415) Character Dump] Name Gonilith Self RB CB EB Best Sex Male Age 24 STR: 17 -1 +2 +6 18/60 Race Kobold Height 36 INT: 16 -1 +1 +4 18/20 Class Rogue Weight 64 WIS: 11 +0 -2 +4 13 Title Filcher Social Unknown DEX: 15 +2 +3 +6 18/80 HP 250/250 Maximize Y CON: 15 +2 +1 +0 18 SP 42/43 CHR: 11 -2 -1 +0 8 Level 29 Armor [18,+60] Saving Throw 58% Cur Exp 78171 Fight (+4,+3) Stealth Heroic Max Exp 78171 Melee (+14,+18) Fighting Heroic Adv Exp 105000 Shoot (+14,+9) Shooting Superb MaxDepth 1700' (L34) Blows 3/turn Disarming 100% Turns 453697 Shots 2/turn Magic Device Superb Gold 18268 Infra 60 ft Perception 1 in 11 Burden 174.7 lbs Speed 2 Searching 47% You come from a litter of 5 pups. Your father was a shaman, and your mother was a cook. You have brown eyes, a deep blue hide, and small, sharp teeth. Acid:......++..... Confu:............. Elec:......+...... Sound:............. Fire:+.....+...... Shard:............. Cold:......+...... Nexus:............. Pois:............+ Nethr:............. Fear:+............ Chaos:............. Lite:............. Disen:+............ Dark:............. S.Dig:............. Blind:.........+... Feath:............. PLite:............. Aggrv:............. Regen:............. Stea.:.......+...+. Telep:.........+... Sear.:............. Invis:+............ Infra:....+.......+ FrAct:+.........+.. Tunn.:............. HLife:............. Speed:.......+..... ImpHP:............. Blows:............. ImpSP:............. Shots:.+........... Fear:............. Might:............. [Character Equipment] a) The Long Sword 'Anduril' (3d5) (+10,+15) [+10] (+4) +4 strength, dexterity. Slays evil creatures, undead, orcs, trolls. Branded with flames. Provides resistance to fire, fear, disenchantment. Cannot be harmed by acid, electricity, fire, cold. Sustains strength, dexterity. Blessed by the gods. Prevents paralysis. Grants the ability to see invisible things. When activated, it creates a fire bolt with damage 72. Takes 48 turns to recharge at your current speed. Combat info: 3 blows/round. Average damage/hit: 38.1 vs. evil creatures, 47.6 vs. undead, 47.6 vs. orcs, 47.6 vs. trolls, 47.6 vs. creatures not resistant to fire, and 28.5 vs. others. b) a Long Bow of Extra Shots (x3) (+10,+9) (+1) +1 shooting speed. c) a Corundum Ring of Dexterity (+2) +2 dexterity. Sustains dexterity. d) a Garnet Ring of Strength (+2) +2 strength. Sustains strength. e) a Tortoise Shell Amulet of Infravision (+1) +1 infravision. f) The Phial of Galadriel Cannot be harmed by acid, electricity, fire, cold. When activated, it lights up the surrounding area, hurting light-s ensitive creatures. Takes 13 to 24 turns to recharge at your current speed. Radius 3 light. g) Studded Leather Armour of Resistance (-1) [6,+16] Provides resistance to acid, lightning, fire, cold. Cannot be harmed by acid, electricity, fire, cold. h) The Cloak 'Holcolleth' [1,+4] (+2) +2 intelligence, wisdom, stealth, speed. Provides resistance to acid. Cannot be harmed by acid, electricity, fire, cold. When activated, it puts to sleep the monsters around you. Takes 66 turns to recharge at your current speed. i) a Wicker Shield [2,+3] j) The Hard Leather Cap of Thranduil [2,+10] (+2) +2 intelligence, wisdom. Provides resistance to blindness. Cannot be harmed by acid, electricity, fire, cold. Grants telepathy. k) a Set of Leather Gloves of Free Action [1,+12] Prevents paralysis. l) a Pair of Steel Shod Boots of Stealth [6,+1] (+3) +3 stealth. [Character Inventory] a) 3 Books of Magic Spells [Magic for Beginners] b) 3 Books of Magic Spells [Conjurings and Tricks] c) 4 Books of Magic Spells [Incantations and Illusions] d) 14 Puce Potions of Cure Critical Wounds e) a Scroll titled "sus preo jus" of Teleportation {!*} f) 2 Scrolls titled "prora pror pro" of Word of Recall {!*} g) a Titanium Rod of Fire Bolts h) a Chromium Rod of Slow Monster i) an Aluminum Rod of Sleep Monster j) a Rusty Rod of Curing Cannot be harmed by electricity. k) a Nickel Rod of Light l) 2 Gold-Plated Wands of Teleport Other (14 charges) m) a Locust Staff of Mapping (5 charges) n) an Opal Ring of Damage (+0,+7) o) a Pair of Iron Shod Boots of Stability [3,+11] Provides resistance to nexus. Feather Falling. p) a Cutlass (Holy Avenger) (1d8) (+7,+12) [+1] (+1) +1 wisdom. Slays evil creatures, undead, demons. Provides resistance to fear. Sustains charisma. Blessed by the gods. Grants the ability to see invisible things. Combat info: 1 blow/round. Average damage/hit: 25.1 vs. evil creatures, 29.8 vs. undead, 29.8 vs. demons, and 20.4 vs. others. q) a Tulwar of Flame (2d4) (+9,+9) Branded with flames. Provides resistance to fire. Cannot be harmed by fire. Combat info: 1 blow/round. Average damage/hit: 28.3 vs. creatures not resistant to fire, and 17.8 vs. others. r) a Katana of Acid (3d5) (+6,+7) Branded with acid. Provides resistance to acid. Cannot be harmed by acid. Combat info: 1 blow/round. Average damage/hit: 38.8 vs. creatures not resistant to acid, and 19.9 vs. others. s) a Katana of Slay Demon (3d5) (+4,+2) Slays demons. Combat info: 1 blow/round. Average damage/hit: 33.5 vs. demons, and 14.6 vs. others. t) The Zweihander 'Gurthang' (3d6) (+13,+17) (+2) +2 strength. *Slays* dragons. Branded with flames, venom. Provides resistance to fire, poison. Cannot be harmed by acid, electricity, fire, cold. Slows your metabolism. Speeds regeneration. Prevents paralysis. Combat info: 1 blow/round. Average damage/hit: 56 vs. creatures not resistant to fire, 56 vs. creatures not resistant to poison, 78.9 vs. dragons, and 33.1 vs. others. u) The Spear 'Nimloth' (1d6) (+11,+13) (+3) +3 stealth, speed. Slays undead. Branded with frost. Provides resistance to cold. Cannot be harmed by acid, electricity, fire, cold. Blessed by the gods. Grants the ability to see invisible things. Combat info: 2 blows/round. Average damage/hit: 27.5 vs. undead, 27.5 vs. creatures not resistant to cold, and 20.2 vs. others. v) 15 Arrows (1d4) (+7,+8) Combat info: Hits targets up to 120 feet away. Average damage/hit: 59.6. 35% chance of breaking upon contact. w) 16 Arrows (1d4) (+2,+2) Combat info: Hits targets up to 120 feet away. Average damage/hit: 40.9. 35% chance of breaking upon contact. [Home Inventory] a) 25 Scrolls titled "cono reor" of Phase Door b) The Cloak of Thorongil [1,+10] Provides resistance to acid, fear. Cannot be harmed by acid, electricity, fire, cold. Prevents paralysis. Grants the ability to see invisible things. ============================================================ CHAR. | TURN | DEPTH |LEVEL| EVENT ============================================================ 1 0' 1 Began the quest to destroy Morgoth. 4621 50' 2 Reached level 2 6082 100' 2 Killed Grip, Farmer Maggot's dog 6082 100' 3 Reached level 3 9192 100' 4 Reached level 4 16898 200' 5 Reached level 5 22759 200' 6 Reached level 6 27909 250' 7 Reached level 7 40094 250' 8 Reached level 8 64961 400' 9 Reached level 9 79172 400' 10 Reached level 10 91912 450' 11 Reached level 11 112870 500' 12 Reached level 12 120883 500' 13 Reached level 13 140640 600' 14 Reached level 14 140940 600' 15 Reached level 15 146356 600' 15 Killed Bullroarer the Hobbit 159684 700' 16 Reached level 16 187210 750' 16 Killed Mughash the Kobold Lord 188838 750' 17 Reached level 17 198372 750' 17 Killed Grishnakh, the Hill Orc 198372 750' 18 Reached level 18 214682 800' 19 Reached level 19 224637 850' 20 Reached level 20 244421 900' 21 Reached level 21 258100 950' 22 Reached level 22 262754 950' 22 Killed Shagrat, the Orc Captain 264958 1000' 22 Killed Wormtongue, Agent of Saruman 264998 1000' 22 Found The Cloak of Thorongil 265489 1000' 23 Reached level 23 267015 1000' 23 Killed Lagduf, the Snaga 271336 1050' 23 Killed Bolg, Son of Azog 271336 1050' 24 Reached level 24 274922 1050' 24 Found The Long Sword 'Anduril' 279610 1050' 25 Reached level 25 312542 1150' 25 Killed Ulwarth, Son of Ulfang 320888 1150' 26 Reached level 26 346105 1300' 26 Killed Ufthak of Cirith Ungol 355531 1400' 26 Killed Angamaite of Umbar 355541 1400' 26 Found The Cloak 'Holcolleth' 360523 1400' 26 Killed Gorbag, the Orc Captain 374214 1450' 27 Reached level 27 410996 1600' 27 Killed Ibun, Son of Mim 429627 1650' 27 Found The Phial of Galadriel 431052 1650' 28 Reached level 28 431161 1650' 28 Killed Ugluk, the Uruk 434220 1650' 28 Killed Smeagol 438297 1650' 28 Killed Fang, Farmer Maggot's dog 442358 1700' 28 Found The Spear 'Nimloth' 442692 1700' 29 Reached level 29 444935 1700' 29 Found The Zweihander 'Gurthang' 448749 1700' 29 Found The Hard Leather Cap of Thranduil [Options] Maximize effect of race/class bonuses : yes (adult_maximize) Randomize some of the artifacts (beta) : no (adult_randarts) Restrict the use of stairs/recall : no (adult_ironman) Restrict the use of stores/home : no (adult_no_stores) Restrict creation of artifacts : no (adult_no_artifacts) Don't stack objects on the floor : no (adult_no_stacking) Lose artifacts when leaving level : no (adult_no_preserve) Don't generate connected stairs : no (adult_no_stairs) Adult: Monsters chase current location : yes (adult_ai_sound) Adult: Monsters chase recent locations : yes (adult_ai_smell) Adult: Monsters act smarter in groups : yes (adult_ai_packs) Adult: Monsters learn from their mistakes : no (adult_ai_learn) Adult: Monsters exploit players weaknesses : no (adult_ai_cheat) Adult: Monsters behave more intelligently (broken): no (adult_ai_smart) Score: Peek into object creation : no (score_peek) Score: Peek into monster creation : no (score_hear) Score: Peek into dungeon creation : no (score_room) Score: Peek into something else : no (score_xtra) Score: Know complete monster info : no (score_know) Score: Allow player to avoid death : no (score_live)Last edited by Mondkalb; May 30, 2009, 18:36.Comment
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