[Sil-Q 1.4.1 Character Dump]

 Name   Elena         Age    4,393       Str   2 =  1  +1
 Sex    Female        Height  5'11       Dex  10 =  5          +5
 Race   Sindar        Weight   153       Con   9 =  4  +1      +4
 House  Falathrim                        Gra   2

 Game Turn   31,322   Melee  (+10,1d3)   Melee       10 =  0 +10
 Exp Pool       945   Bows  (+36,1d16)   Archery     36 = 20 +10  +4  +2
 Total Exp   95,045   Armor [+30,8-24]   Evasion     30 = 20 +10
 Burden       108.1                      Stealth     15 =  8 +10  -3
 Max Burden   144.0   Health   103:103   Perception  10 =  8  +2
 Depth           0'   Voice      28:28   Will        15 = 12  +2  +1
 Min Depth       0'                      Smithing    13 = 11  +2
 Light Radius     3                      Song         2 =  0  +2

 You awoke on the shores of lake Cuivienen. You have light green eyes,
 straight brown hair, and a fair complexion.






  [Last Messages]

> The Arrow of Doriath hits Carcharoth, the Jaws of Thirst!!
> Carcharoth, the Jaws of Thirst dies.
> You feel something roll beneath your feet.
> You have 4 Arrows of Doriath (m).
> You recover from the poisoning.
> Cannot select floor!
> You have 5 Arrows of Doriath (m).
> You have found a trap.
> You have 4 Arrows of Doriath (m).
> The Arrow of Doriath hits Draugluin, Sire of Werewolves!!!
> Draugluin, Sire of Werewolves flees in terror!
> You have 3 Arrows of Doriath (m).
> The Arrow of Doriath hits Draugluin, Sire of Werewolves!!!
> Draugluin, Sire of Werewolves dies.
> The Greater werewolf flees in terror!


  [Screenshot]

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  [Equipment]

a) (nothing)
b) The Dragon-horn Bow of Avernien (+1,1d12) 2.0 lb
   It provides resistance to fear, confusion, stunning, and 
   hallucination.  It fires shining arrows.  It cannot be harmed
   by the elements.  It grants you the ability: Blessing of Orome.
   It can shoot arrows 20 squares (with your current strength).
c) The Ring of Elena [+0,1d1]
   It provides resistance to cold, fire, and poison.  It makes
   you encounter more dangerous creatures (even when not worn).  
   It cannot be harmed by the elements.  
d) a Topaz Ring of Evasion [+3]
e) The Amulet of Elena <+1>
   It increases your constitution by 1.  It speeds your
   regeneration (which increases your hunger while active).  It
   grants you freedom of movement, but it also makes you
   encounter more dangerous creatures (even when not worn).  It
   cannot be harmed by the elements.  
f) a Feanorian Lamp of True Sight
   It provides resistance to blindness and hallucination.  It
   grants you the ability to see invisible creatures.  
g) a Mail Corslet of Protection [-3,2d6]
   It cannot be harmed by the elements.  
h) a Cloak of Protection [+2,1d1]
   It cannot be harmed by the elements.  
i) (nothing)
j) The Great Helm of Dor-Lomin [-2,1d4] <+1>
   It increases your strength by 1.  It improves your will by 1.
   It provides resistance to fear and stunning.  It cannot be
   harmed by the elements.  
k) a Set of Gloves of Archery <+3>
   It improves your archery by 3.  
l) a Pair of Boots of Free Action [+0,1d2]
   It grants you freedom of movement.  
m) 3 Arrows of Doriath
   They slay wolves and spiders.  They can be shot 20 squares
   (with your current strength and bow).
n) 58 Arrows of Piercing
   They cut easily through armour.  They can be shot 20 squares
   (with your current strength and bow).


  [Inventory]

a) 11 Mottled Herbs of Rage
b) 3 Wrinkled Herbs of Sustenance
c) 3 Black Herbs of Restoration
d) 7 Clear Potions of Miruvor
e) 2 Sky Blue Potions of Healing
f) 7 Sparkling Potions of Quickness
g) 6 Vermilion Potions of Elemental Resistance
h) a Dark Green Potion of Strength
i) 2 Shimmering Potions of Dexterity
j) 4 Green Potions of Constitution
k) a Runed Staff of Revelations (0 charges)
l) a Gnarled Staff of Warding (4 charges)
m) The Ring of Mairon <+3>
   It improves your stealth and song by 3.  It grants you the
   ability to see invisible creatures, but it also creates an
   unnatural darkness and may betray you when you need it most.  
   It cannot be harmed by the elements.  It grants you the
   ability: Vanish.  
n) 3 Silmarils
   It sustains your grace.  It grants you the ability to see
   invisible creatures.  It cannot be harmed by the elements.  
o) The Mithril Shield of Valinor [+1,1d6] <+1>
   It increases your grace by 1.  It lights the dungeon around
   you.  It cannot be harmed by the elements.  
p) a Crown of Command [+0,1d1]
   It cannot be harmed by the elements.  It grants you the
   ability: Song of Mastery.  
q) a Mithril Helm [+0,1d4]
   It cannot be harmed by the elements.  
r) The Set of Gloves of Celebrimbor [+0,1d1] <+4>
   It improves your smithing by 4.  It grants you freedom of
   movement.  It cannot be harmed by the elements.  
s) a Set of Gloves of Strength [+0,1d1] <+1>
   It increases your strength by 1.  
t) The Shortsword 'Dagmor' (+2,1d8) [+1] <+1> 2.0 lb
   It increases your grace by 1.  It provides resistance to fear.
   It lights the dungeon around you.  It cannot be harmed by the
   elements.  
u) a Mithril Longsword (Defender) (+1,2d6) [+2] 2.0 lb
   It cannot be harmed by the elements.  
v) a Mattock of Belegost (-5,5d2) <+3> 13.0 lb
   It improves your tunneling by 3.  It requires both hands to
   wield it properly.  
w) 56 Arrows
   They can be shot 20 squares (with your current strength and bow).


  [Abilities]

Blessing of Orome
Point Blank Archery
Dedication
Crippling Shot
Deadly Hail
Dexterity
Crowd Fighting
Leaping
Sprinting
Heavy Armour Use
Dexterity
Exchange Places
Keen Senses
Concentration
Alchemy
Rauko-Bane
Listen
Inner Light
Hardiness
Critical Resistance
Constitution
Weaponsmith
Jeweller
Enchantment
Artifice


  [Enemies]

  6 /  6  Wolf                                    
  3 /  3  Tanglethorn                             
  4 /  4  Phantom                                 
 12 / 14  Orc                                     
  3 /  5  Grimhawk                                
  8 /  9  Orc scout                               
  2 /  2  Spider hatchling                        
  2 /  2  Blue serpent                            
  2 /  3  Brood spider                            
 18 / 21  Orc soldier                             
  6 /  7  Madthorn                                
  6 /  6  Gorcrow                                 
 28 / 36  Orc archer                              
 40 / 43  White wolf                              
  8 /  8  Red serpent                             
  (slain) Gorgol, the Butcher 
 35 / 42  Orc warrior                             
  3 /  3  Sword spider                            
 15 / 16  Crebain                                 
  4 /  4  Mewlip                                  
  6 / 10  Orc thief                               
  6 /  6  Nightthorn                              
  3 /  3  Green serpent                           
 16 / 18  Mountain troll                          
  5 /  5  Tattered wight                          
  (slain) Boldog, the Merciless 
 24 / 45  Orc champion                            
 36 / 39  Easterling warrior                      
 29 / 31  Hummerhorn                              
  (slain) Balcmeg, the Relentless 
  (slain) Lug, the Grotesque 
  5 / 13  Orc captain                             
 46 / 48  Warg                                    
  5 /  5  Grave wight                             
  7 /  7  Dark serpent                            
 39 / 39  Whispering shadow                       
 14 / 14  Distended spider                        
 26 / 26  Easterling archer                       
  4 /  4  Twisted bat                             
  (slain) Othrod, the Orc Lord 
 13 / 13  Snow troll                              
  4 /  4  Lurking horror                          
 13 / 13  Giant                                   
  (slain) Uldor, the Accursed 
 17 / 17  Easterling spy                          
  3 /  3  Shadow bat                              
 10 / 11  Sulrauko                                
  5 /  5  Fire-drake hatchling                    
  (slain) Ulfang the Black 
 12 / 14  Werewolf                                
  4 /  5  Shadow spider                           
  6 /  6  Shadow                                  
  (slain) Gilim, the Giant of Eruman 
  4 /  4  Ruby serpent                            
  4 /  4  Creeping horror                         
 30 / 32  Ringrauko                               
  (slain) Delthaur, Balrog of Terror 
  (slain) Nan, the Giant 
 23 / 23  Cave troll                              
  5 /  5  Emerald serpent                         
 52 / 55  Cat warrior                             
 13 / 13  Amethyst serpent                        
 13 / 20  Kemenrauko                              
  4 /  5  Grotesque                               
  6 /  6  Young cold-drake                        
  (slain) Umuiyan, the Doorkeeper 
  (slain) Belegwath, Balrog of Shadow 
  9 /  9  Spider of Gorgoroth                     
 16 / 23  Greater werewolf                        
  6 /  6  Adamant serpent                         
 14 / 15  Lesser vampire                          
  2 /  2  Cat assassin                            
  (slain) Oikeroi, Guard of Tevildo 
  3 /  3  Young fire-drake                        
  4 /  4  Darting horror                          
  6 /  9  Unmourned                               
 26 / 28  Ururauko                                
  (slain) Tevildo, Prince of Cats 
  (slain) Turkano, Balrog of the Hosts 
  4 /  4  Ancient sapphire serpent                
 85 / 94  Troll guard                             
 18 / 20  Vampire                                 
  2 /  9  Nameless thing                          
  (slain) Smaug the Golden 
 11 / 11  Ancient ruby serpent                    
  5 /  5  Great cold-drake                        
  0 /  3  Silent watcher                          
 27 / 32  Gwathrauko                              
  (slain) Draugluin, Sire of Werewolves 
  (slain) Vallach, Balrog of Sudden Flame 
 23 / 23  Ancient spider                          
 22 / 24  Ancient emerald serpent                 
 40 / 46  Vampire lord                            
  (slain) Dagorhir, the Elfbane 
  (slain) Gostir, the Dread Glance 
 19 / 20  Ancient amethyst serpent                
  5 /  5  Great fire-drake                        
 40 / 44  Hithrauko                               
  (slain) Shelob, Spider of Darkness 
  (slain) Lungorthin, Lord of Balrogs 
 10 / 11  Ancient adamant serpent                 
 18 / 20  Unrelenting horror                      
  (slain) Ancalagon the Black 
  (slain) Thuringwethil, the Vampire Messenger 
  (slain) Gorthaur, Servant of Morgoth 
  (slain) Morgoth, Lord of Darkness 
  (slain) Carcharoth, the Jaws of Thirst 


  [Artefacts]

The Ring of Mairon (found)
The Leather Armour 'Catskin' (found)
The Mithril Shield of Valinor (found)
The Shortsword 'Dagmor' (found)
The Longsword 'Orcrist' (found)
The Longsword 'Glamdring' (found)
The Greatsword 'Glend' (found)
The Spear of Boldog (found)
The Great Spear of Melkor (found)
The Battle Axe of Hurin (found)
The Glaive 'Celebrist' (found)
The Great Helm of Dor-Lomin (found)
The Wolf-Hame of Draugluin (found)
The Bat-Fell of Thuringwethil (found)
The Shortbow of Celegorm 
The Dragon-horn Bow of Avernien (found)
The Set of Gloves of Celebrimbor (found)
The Set of Gauntlets of Gamil Zirak (found)
The Massive Iron Crown of Morgoth (found)
The Mighty Hammer 'Grond' 


  [Notes]

Elena of the Sindar
Entered Angband on 28 Jan 2019

   Turn     Depth   Note

    786    100 ft   (Weaponsmith)
    835    100 ft   Made a Longbow (+0,2d5)  2.0 lb
    886    100 ft   Made a Mattock (-5,5d2) <+2>  12.0 lb
    897    100 ft   Made 24 Arrows  2.4 lb
    898    100 ft   (Point Blank Archery)
  1,051    150 ft   (Blessing of Orome)
  1,360    150 ft   Found The Leather Armour 'Catskin'
  1,434    200 ft   Encountered Gorgol, the Butcher
  1,454    200 ft   Slew Gorgol, the Butcher
  1,896    200 ft   (Dedication)
  3,535    300 ft   (Leaping)
  3,991    300 ft   (Jeweller)
  4,072    300 ft   Made an Emerald Ring of Accuracy (+1)  0.1 lb
  4,133    300 ft   Made an Ivory Amulet of Preservation  0.1 lb
  4,301    300 ft   Made a Lesser Jewel  0.1 lb
  4,491    300 ft   Made a Silver Horn of Warning  1.0 lb
  4,571    300 ft   Made a Garnet Ring of Protection [+0,1d1]  0.1 lb
  4,654    300 ft   Made a Golden Amulet of Regeneration  0.1 lb
  4,727    300 ft   Made an Amethyst Ring of Free Action  0.1 lb
  4,963    350 ft   (Dexterity)
  5,955    400 ft   Encountered Boldog, the Merciless
  5,964    400 ft   Slew Boldog, the Merciless
  7,258    450 ft   (Deadly Hail)
  7,871    450 ft   (Enchantment)
  7,871    450 ft   Found The Spear of Boldog (from 400 ft)
  8,149    450 ft   Made a Longbow (+0,2d6)  2.0 lb
  8,266    450 ft   Made a Mithril Longsword (Defender) (+1,2d6) [+2]  2.0 
                    lb 
  8,885    450 ft   Made 24 Arrows of Piercing  2.4 lb
  9,018    500 ft   Encountered Ulfang the Black
  9,022    500 ft   Slew Ulfang the Black
  9,106    500 ft   Encountered Othrod, the Orc Lord
  9,111    500 ft   Slew Othrod, the Orc Lord
  9,141    500 ft   (Keen Senses)
  9,330    500 ft   Encountered Lug, the Grotesque
  9,337    500 ft   Encountered Balcmeg, the Relentless
  9,364    500 ft   Slew Lug, the Grotesque
  9,654    500 ft   Slew Balcmeg, the Relentless
  9,802    500 ft   (Alchemy)
 10,480    500 ft   Made 24 Arrows of Piercing  2.4 lb
 10,637    500 ft   Made 24 Arrows of Piercing  2.4 lb
 10,777    500 ft   Made 24 Arrows of Piercing  2.4 lb
 11,017    500 ft   Made 24 Arrows of Piercing  2.4 lb
 11,157    500 ft   Made 24 Arrows of Piercing  2.4 lb
 11,297    500 ft   Made 24 Arrows of Piercing  2.4 lb
 11,407    550 ft   (Listen)
 11,422    550 ft   Encountered Uldor, the Accursed
 11,425    550 ft   Slew Uldor, the Accursed
 11,425    550 ft   Found The Set of Gloves of Celebrimbor
 11,727    550 ft   (Crippling Shot)
 12,266    550 ft   Found The Great Helm of Dor-Lomin
 12,525    600 ft   Encountered Gilim, the Giant of Eruman
 12,542    600 ft   (Hardiness)
 12,555    600 ft   Slew Gilim, the Giant of Eruman
 12,597    600 ft   Encountered Nan, the Giant
 12,605    600 ft   Slew Nan, the Giant
 12,605    600 ft   Found The Greatsword 'Glend'
 13,815    600 ft   Made 24 Arrows of Piercing  2.4 lb
 13,955    600 ft   Made 24 Arrows of Piercing  2.4 lb
 14,095    600 ft   Made 24 Arrows of Piercing  2.4 lb
 14,292    700 ft   (Rauko-Bane)
 15,697    750 ft   Encountered Delthaur, Balrog of Terror
 15,703    750 ft   Destroyed Delthaur, Balrog of Terror
 15,817    750 ft   Found The Set of Gauntlets of Gamil Zirak
 16,381    800 ft   Fell through a false floor
 16,395    850 ft   Encountered Tevildo, Prince of Cats
 16,407    850 ft   Slew Tevildo, Prince of Cats
 16,426    850 ft   Encountered Oikeroi, Guard of Tevildo
 16,430    850 ft   Slew Oikeroi, Guard of Tevildo
 16,483    850 ft   Encountered Belegwath, Balrog of Shadow
 16,516    850 ft   (Sprinting)
 16,534    850 ft   Destroyed Belegwath, Balrog of Shadow
 16,534    850 ft   Found The Dragon-horn Bow of Avernien
 16,764    850 ft   Encountered Umuiyan, the Doorkeeper
 16,766    850 ft   Slew Umuiyan, the Doorkeeper
 18,978    850 ft   Found The Shortsword 'Dagmor'
 19,432    850 ft   Made a Ruby Amulet of Grace <+1>  0.1 lb
 20,070    850 ft   Made a Feanorian Lamp of True Sight  1.0 lb
 20,216    850 ft   Made 24 Arrows of Piercing  2.4 lb
 20,356    850 ft   Made 24 Arrows of Piercing  2.4 lb
 21,526    900 ft   Encountered Turkano, Balrog of the Hosts
 21,529    900 ft   Destroyed Turkano, Balrog of the Hosts
 21,548    900 ft   Found The Great Spear of Melkor
 21,857    900 ft   Found The Mithril Shield of Valinor
 22,753    900 ft   Encountered Vallach, Balrog of Sudden Flame
 22,773    900 ft   Destroyed Vallach, Balrog of Sudden Flame
 22,799    900 ft   (Artifice)
 23,002    900 ft   Made The Ring of Elena [+0,1d1]  0.1 lb
 23,159    950 ft   (Dexterity)
 23,342    950 ft   (Crowd Fighting)
 23,366    950 ft   Found The Glaive 'Celebrist'
 23,367    950 ft   Encountered Ancalagon the Black
 23,417    950 ft   Slew Ancalagon the Black
 23,955    950 ft   Encountered Thuringwethil, the Vampire Messenger
 23,964    950 ft   Slew Thuringwethil, the Vampire Messenger
 23,964    950 ft   Found The Bat-Fell of Thuringwethil
 24,091    950 ft   Encountered Smaug the Golden
 24,108    950 ft   Slew Smaug the Golden
 24,272    950 ft   Encountered Shelob, Spider of Darkness
 24,275    950 ft   Slew Shelob, Spider of Darkness
 25,098    900 ft   Encountered Dagorhir, the Elfbane
 25,140    900 ft   Slew Dagorhir, the Elfbane
 25,233    900 ft   (Exchange Places)
 25,345    900 ft   Fell through a false floor
 25,408    950 ft   Found The Longsword 'Orcrist'
 25,651    950 ft   Found The Longsword 'Glamdring'
 25,652    950 ft   Encountered Gostir, the Dread Glance
 25,652    950 ft   Found The Battle Axe of Hurin
 25,665    950 ft   Slew Gostir, the Dread Glance
 26,486    950 ft   (Constitution)
 27,390    950 ft   Made The Amulet of Elena <+1>  0.1 lb
 28,196    950 ft   Found The Ring of Mairon
 28,288    950 ft   Encountered Lungorthin, Lord of Balrogs
 28,321    950 ft   Destroyed Lungorthin, Lord of Balrogs
 29,868  1,000 ft   Entered Morgoth's throne room
 29,872  1,000 ft   (Concentration)
 29,883  1,000 ft   Encountered Gorthaur, Servant of Morgoth
 29,896  1,000 ft   Slew Gorthaur, Servant of Morgoth
 29,900  1,000 ft   (Heavy Armour Use)
 30,031  1,000 ft   Encountered Morgoth, Lord of Darkness
 30,038  1,000 ft   Found The Massive Iron Crown of Morgoth
 30,117  1,000 ft   Slew Morgoth, Lord of Darkness
 30,181  1,000 ft   Cut a Silmaril from Morgoth's crown
 30,183  1,000 ft   Cut a Silmaril from Morgoth's crown
 30,193  1,000 ft   Cut a Silmaril from Morgoth's crown
 30,313    950 ft   (Inner Light)
 31,198     Gates   Entered The Gates of Angband
 31,265     Gates   Encountered Draugluin, Sire of Werewolves
 31,284     Gates   (Critical Resistance)
 31,302     Gates   Encountered Carcharoth, the Jaws of Thirst
 31,304     Gates   Slew Carcharoth, the Jaws of Thirst
 31,313     Gates   Slew Draugluin, Sire of Werewolves
 31,313     Gates   Found The Wolf-Hame of Draugluin

 31,322     Gates   You escaped the Iron Hells on 28 January 2019.
 31,322     Gates   You brought back all three Silmarils from Morgoth's 
                    crown! 




  ['Score' 141368678]

Posted on 28.1.2019 07:08
Last updated on 28.1.2019 15:44

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On 28.1.2019 07:08 Conker wrote:
First time trying a dedicated archer in Sil. They seem pretty OP early in the game, though unfortunately the endgame hordes kinda push you back toward being a regular melee guy.

I initially wanted to go pure archer for as long as I could, but went through a crazily huge dry spell of barely finding any arrows, so I had to take Versatility at 650ft and start trying to ineffectually poke at stuff with Dagmor. Eventually found a forge at 850ft (think I fell through a false floor and missed the guaranteed one at 500ft or so) and made a bunch of arrows there.

Sil-Q seems to have some nice ideas, though I was slightly disappointed it didn't go further in incentivizing the player away from the standard 'Stack evasion, become unkillable' style. Perhaps that's not feasible without seriously changing the mechanics though. Either way, looking forward to seeing what becomes of it in the future.

On 28.1.2019 15:44 Conker wrote:
Two in a row! A shame Sil doesn't have any kind of streak mechanics. And a no-song no-melee, 3 Sil Morgoth killer, too.

My last game was a real eye-opener in how powerful archery is in Sil-Q (and regular Sil? I've never used it in that either, aside from a couple of points to pick off fleeing orcs), and I knew I could have done a lot better if I hadn't had problems with my arrow supply - particularly the Piercing ones, which are invaluable later on. So this time I went hard into Smithing - mainly for Piercing arrows, but also to reduce the hassle of IDing.

For the vast majority of the descent I felt like I was fighting my inventory constraints more than I was fighting the actual dungeon denizens, but carting around the +Grace/Smith stuff was worth it in the end, as I found enough forges to make a couple of half-decent artifacts.

Got a little bit worried I'd run out of arrows on the ascent, as I had to waste a whole bunch on Relentless Horrors in the throne room before Morgoth came to find me, but it worked out alright in the end.

On 28.1.2019 15:47 Conker wrote:
Bah, overwrote the other dump by mistake. Ignore the first comment, it was for the previous game.

On 29.1.2019 15:26 Quirk wrote:
Nice. Very nice. I see that weakening archery's power somewhat hasn't blunted it that much against Morgoth - I've suspected for a while that archery hitting against half evasion makes it almost impossible for it not to be a bit overpowered even with no other skills taken.

Speaking of skills though - did you have any thoughts on the archery skills you took, or any other things you encountered that were new in Sil-q?

On 29.1.2019 15:43 Quirk wrote:
Also, when you talk about incentivising the player further away from "Stack evasion, become unkillable" - did you have any more concrete ideas on how this might be done? Might be better as a forum post. I think protection builds are in a decent place right now, but I haven't really done anything much to compromise the viability of high evasion, and I'm not sure that I should.

On 7.2.2019 11:36 Conker wrote:
As far as the specific skills, not much other than that Hail of Arrows is great fun, and that Blessing of Orome was a bit annoying in that I felt like I 'had' to take it yet I knew it'd be superceded before too long. Dedication was something I was keen to take, but early-game led to hassle in terms of switching out weapons purely so I could conserve arrows, and late-game it felt like I was only getting away with eschewing the protections/stats from the weapon and shield slot because of how strong archery is overall. Things were dying - or at least fleeing - just a couple of turns after appearing on my screen.

(Can't really say much about skills outside Archery except maybe Smithing - I like the whole 'Artistry for free' thing and the fact that you can get ID from enchantment, but I was a bit disappointed by the weapon enchantments available to me. Compared to the armour ones, they all felt a bit meh. Typically my Str and Dex are already balanced the way I need them to be, so the bows of +1/-1 seemed somewhat lacklustre.)

Anyway, yeah, archery needs a nerf. Its main problem is probably the 'halve your target's evasion' thing, because Evasion really is the king stat in this game. Have you considered some sort of 'aim' mechanic? The increased accuracy of bows might be more appropriate if the player paid for that by having to spend turns aiming his weapon. Different levels of aim could produce shots with different modifications to the roll (no aiming not affecting the target's evasion, one turn reducing it by 25%, two turns bringing it up to what it's currently at i.e. reducing it by 50%).

For your last point; not much in the way of concrete ideas, I just dislike how vital (and not just viable) Evasion is lategame. An off the cuff idea would be to change Critical Resistance to Critical Immunity and harshen the requirements/add a drawback? But it's not necessarily a problem to have things as they are. It just leads to Sil games feeling a bit more similar at the end than I tend to enjoy personally.

On 7.2.2019 12:09 Conker wrote:
Oh, and one other thing - you mentioned in the manual something about being able to search skeletons for armour and arrows and such, but I could never work out how to do it. Presumably I'm missing something obvious, but it might be worth including in the manual.

On 7.2.2019 20:54 Quirk wrote:
This is very useful feedback. Thanks.

I think the dragon horn bow may be part of the problem. Each new critical adds a lot of damage. Scatha suggested making them three dice instead; I think I may do that as that will reduce the impact of criticals. I may also reduce the dice sides on bows. I'm a little worried about making the early game harder but I can probably balance that if necessary.

Orome has had mixed feedback and is for the chop. It feels like Dedication may need to go also in favour of something that increases damage less.

Bow enchantments are quite lacklustre at present - largely because anything that increases damage has the potential to make archery even more broken, and most weapon enchantments increase damage one way or another.

With regard to Evasion, its possible to go the Protection route instead with Staying and Hardiness at present to the point I feel protection may be getting a little too good: have a look at http://angband.oook.cz/ladder-show.php?id=22041, the second most recent Morgoth kill, which has just 21 Evasion by game end.

Searching skeleton controls should be visible from the help screen - it's the use command, which is "," on your own square or "/" on an adjacent square. What would you expect it to be? It could be extended to the open command also (some people use it for chests) though that seems less obvious to me.

On 11.2.2019 01:08 Conker wrote:
Either Open or Search were the main ones I was expecting. I don't think I've ever used the 'use' command.

I expect you're right about the dragon horn bow exacerbating the issue with archery - though in the game I won immediately prior to this one, I was using a 2lb 2d6 longbow and that was very strong as well. Reducing their damage sides would greatly exacerbate bows' weakness with regards to armour - if you go that route, I wouldn't be surprised to see most archers doing what I did here and using multiple forges to make stacks of arrows of piercing.

Had a look at the dump you mentioned - I guess it's partly a matter of perspective, but that guy still had 14 base evasion, which is a heavy investment. I'd be interested in seeing if there were any winners with less than 8 points in evasion, for example (as I'm sure there are winners with less than 8 of every other stat).

Anyway, thanks for the response. Looking forward to seeing what you replace Orome with.

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