[Sil 1.1.1 Character Dump]

 Name   Protart       Age    4,068       Str   6 =  3  +2      +1
 Sex    Male          Height  6'10       Dex   5 =  4  +1
 Race   Noldor        Weight   182       Con   7 =  4  +3
 House  Feanor                           Gra   3

 Game Turn   31,002   Melee (+32,3d13)   Melee       32 = 23  +5  -6 +10
 Exp Pool     1,803   Bows   (+12,0d0)   Archery     12 =  0  +5  -4 +11
 Total Exp   96,903   Armor [+19,10-35]  Evasion     19 = 16  +5  -2
 Burden       234.3                      Stealth     -6 =  6  +5  -5 -12
 Max Burden   298.4   Health     71:71   Perception  11 =  8  +3
 Depth           0'   Voice      54:69   Will        15 = 12  +3
 Min Depth       0'   Song     Slaying   Smithing    12 =  8  +3      +1
 Light Radius     6                      Song        15 = 12  +3

 A protection artist.







  [Last Messages]

> The Orc captain flees in terror! <2x>
> The Cat assassin fires an arrow. <5x>
> The Orc captain moves away from you.
> You hit the Orc captain!
> The Cat assassin fires an arrow.
> You see a Brass Lantern (with 3000 turns of light).
> The Orc captain moves away from you.
> You hit the Orc captain!!
> You have slain the Orc captain.
> You see a Golden Ring.
> Your constitution returns to normal.
> The Cat assassin fires an arrow. <2x>
> It fires an arrow.
> The Cat assassin fires an arrow.
> It fires an arrow.


  [Screenshot]

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  ..~~...
  ...~...


  [Equipment]

a) a Battle Axe of Hador's House (-2,3d6) 5.5 lb
   It grants you the ability: Follow-Through.  It does extra
   damage when wielded with both hands.  
b) (nothing)
c) an Onyx Ring of Strength <+1>
   It increases your strength by 1.  It sustains your strength.  
   
d) a Moonstone Ring of Protection [+0,1d2]
e) a Silver Amulet of Constitution <+1>
   It increases your constitution by 1.  It sustains your 
   constitution.  
f) a Silmaril
   It sustains your grace.  It grants you the ability to see
   invisible creatures.  It cannot be harmed by the elements.  
g) a Hauberk of Resilience (-2) [-4,2d5] <+1>
   It increases your constitution by 1.  It cannot be harmed by
   the elements.  
h) a Shadow Cloak of Protection [+4,1d1] <+2>
   It improves your stealth by 2.  It creates an unnatural
   darkness.  It cannot be harmed by the elements.  
i) The Kite Shield of Fingolfin (-2) [+0,1d8] <+1>
   It increases your constitution by 1.  It provides resistance
   to fear.  It sustains your constitution.  It cannot be harmed
   by the elements.  
j) a Dwarf Mask [-1,1d3]
   It provides resistance to fire.  
k) a Set of Gauntlets of Strength [+0,1d2] <+1>
   It increases your strength by 1.  
l) The Pair of Greaves of Orodreth [-1,1d2] <+1>
   It increases your dexterity by 1.  It provides resistance to 
   fire.  It cannot be harmed by the elements.  
m) (nothing)
n) (nothing)


  [Inventory]

a) 4 Grey Herbs of Sustenance
b) 4 Dark Green Herbs of Healing
c) 4 Fragments of Lembas
d) 3 Clear Potions of Miruvor
e) 3 Murky Brown Potions of Orcish Liquor
f) 2 Bright Orange Potions of Clarity
g) an Emerald Potion of Healing
h) 2 Dark Potions of Slow Poison
i) a Vermilion Potion of Quickness
j) 2 Dark Green Potions of Strength
k) 2 Brilliant Blue Potions of Dexterity
l) an Azure Potion of Constitution
m) 3 Sparkling Potions of Grace
n) a Bronze Trumpet of Blasting
o) a Mahogany Staff of Understanding (2 charges)
p) a Twisted Staff of Recharging (2 charges)
q) an Onyx Ring of Strength <+1>
   It increases your strength by 1.  It sustains your strength.  
   
r) 2 Silmarils
   It sustains your grace.  It grants you the ability to see
   invisible creatures.  It cannot be harmed by the elements.  
s) The Greatsword 'Calris' (-5,3d7) [+1] <+1> 11.0 lb
   It increases your constitution by 1.  It is branded with 
   flame.  It makes you more vulnerable to cold.  It lights the
   dungeon around you.  It cannot be harmed by the elements.  It
   requires both hands to wield it properly.  
t) The Mighty Hammer 'Grond' (-9,6d5) <+3> 100.0 lb
   It improves your tunneling by 3.  It cannot be harmed by the
   elements.  It requires both hands to wield it properly.  
u) a Mattock (-5,5d2) <+2> 13.8 lb
   It improves your tunneling by 2.  It requires both hands to
   wield it properly.  


  [Notes]

Protart of the Noldor
Entered Angband on 10 Jun 2013

    Turn     Depth    Note

       0     50 ft    (Armoursmith)
       0     50 ft    (Artistry)
     846     50 ft    Made a Great Helm [-1,1d4]  9.5 lb
     967     50 ft    Made a Mail Corslet [-2,2d4]  29.6 lb
   1,088     50 ft    Made a Set of Gauntlets [+0,1d2]  3.2 lb
   3,608    250 ft    Made a Pair of Greaves [-1,1d3]  11.9 lb
   3,729    250 ft    Made a Kite Shield (-1) [+0,1d7]  8.7 lb
   3,851    250 ft    Made a Dwarf Mask [-2,1d3]  11.1 lb
   3,972    250 ft    Made a Hauberk (-2) [-4,2d6]  38.4 lb
   6,206    400 ft    (Blocking)
   6,206    400 ft    (Heavy Armour Use)
   6,438    400 ft    (Power)
   7,324    400 ft    Encountered Boldog, the Merciless
   7,388    400 ft    (Jeweller)
   7,514    400 ft    Made a Moonstone Ring of Protection [+0,1d1]  0.1 lb
   7,615    400 ft    Made a Moonstone Ring of Protection [+0,1d1]  0.1 lb
   7,619    400 ft    lol, +11, 10-31 protection
   7,619    400 ft    Not even hardiness yet
   7,740    400 ft    Slew Boldog, the Merciless
   9,072    500 ft    Encountered Uldor, the Accursed
   9,117    500 ft    Slew Uldor, the Accursed
   9,356    500 ft    Encountered Gilim, the Giant of Eruman
   9,386    500 ft    Slew Gilim, the Giant of Eruman
   9,577    500 ft    (Hardiness)
  10,548    500 ft    (Crowd Fighting)
  11,340    500 ft    Encountered Othrod, the Orc Lord
  11,372    500 ft    Slew Othrod, the Orc Lord
  11,534    600 ft    (Critical Resistance)
  11,735    600 ft    (Keen Senses)
  12,279    600 ft    (Poison Resistance)
  12,340    600 ft    Encountered Duruin, Least of the Balrogs
  12,534    600 ft    Found The Kite Shield of Hador (from 500 ft)
  12,578    600 ft    Destroyed Duruin, Least of the Balrogs
  12,594    600 ft    Found The Pair of Greaves of Orodreth
  12,650    600 ft    Found The Kite Shield of Fingolfin
  12,684    600 ft    (Listen)
  12,931    650 ft    (Follow-Through)
  13,575    650 ft    (Momentum)
  13,879    650 ft    Fell through a false floor.
  14,015    700 ft    (Focused attack)
  14,216    700 ft    Found The Shortsword of Galadriel
  14,216    700 ft    Everyone swears by this thing
  14,216    700 ft    I say to hell with it
  14,566    700 ft    (Concentration)
  14,794    700 ft    Wow, I killed a werewolf with falling debris?! cool
  15,392    700 ft    Found The Cloak of Maglor
  15,393    700 ft    Screw inspiration. We shall use brute force!
  15,535    700 ft    Made a Feanorian Lamp  1.0 lb
  15,739    700 ft    Made a Hauberk (-2) [-4,2d6]  45.4 lb
  15,931    750 ft    Found The Spear of Boldog (from 400 ft)
  17,775    800 ft    Found The Dagger of Nargil (from 750 ft)
  17,862    800 ft    Found The Serpentine Ring of Barahir
  18,484    800 ft    Found The Set of Gauntlets of Gamil Zirak
  18,628    800 ft    Found The Studded Leather of Beor
  19,127    800 ft    Come to papa big mama cause your daddy's drunk
  19,127    800 ft    -2, 3d5 battle axe, 4.8 lbs
  19,187    800 ft    Cleared 800ft
  19,188    850 ft    (Strength)
  19,540    850 ft    Made a Dwarf Mask [-1,1d3]  9.5 lb
  19,643    850 ft    Found The Greatsword 'Calris'
  19,687    850 ft    Fell through a false floor.
  19,957    900 ft    Made an Onyx Ring of Strength <+1>  0.1 lb
  20,140    900 ft    Made an Onyx Ring of Strength <+1>  0.1 lb
  20,148    900 ft    (Enchantment)
  20,337    900 ft    Made a Hauberk of Resilience (-2) [-4,2d5] <+1>  48.9 
                      lb 
  20,521    900 ft    Made a Cloak of Protection [+2,1d1]  2.0 lb
  20,694    900 ft    (Song of Slaying)
  20,694    900 ft    I've decided singing is manly
  21,143    900 ft    I officially love this motherfucker
  21,186    900 ft    Ancient Sapphire Serpent. One strike!
  21,380    900 ft    900 cleared... but, it was mostly empty
  21,446    950 ft    I should restart the level with stairs... but I try to 
                      never do that 
  21,446    950 ft    I guess I can blast through the wall and leave the 
                      great cold drake 
  21,446    950 ft    alone... nvm. I was about to fight him.
  21,704    950 ft    Encountered Draugluin, Sire of Werewolves
  21,707    950 ft    Slew Draugluin, Sire of Werewolves
  21,708    950 ft    3 swipes and that, was that
  21,721    950 ft    Found The Wolf-Hame of Draugluin
  21,804    950 ft    (Song of Sharpness)
  22,319    950 ft    (Unwavering Voice)
  22,476    950 ft    Take that great cold drake!
  22,849    950 ft    Encountered Vallach, Balrog of Sudden Flame
  22,881    950 ft    Destroyed Vallach, Balrog of Sudden Flame
  22,917    950 ft    (Woven Themes)
  23,081    950 ft    Found The Helm of Curufin
  23,108    950 ft    Encountered Shelob, Spider of Darkness
  23,116    950 ft    Slew Shelob, Spider of Darkness
  23,221    950 ft    Two great white drakes down
  23,485    950 ft    Found The Longsword 'Orcrist'
  24,339    950 ft    Cleared 950 twice... attempting 3rd for more xp, 
                      though  
  24,339    950 ft    I have lots of consumables
  24,576    950 ft    (Opportunist)
  25,242    950 ft    Found The Longbow 'Wyrm's End'
  25,283  1,000 ft    Entered Morgoth's throne room
  25,293  1,000 ft    (Rapid Attack)
  25,323  1,000 ft    Encountered Morgoth, Lord of Darkness
  25,324  1,000 ft    Found The Massive Iron Crown of Morgoth
  25,337  1,000 ft    Slew Morgoth, Lord of Darkness
  25,337  1,000 ft    Found The Mighty Hammer 'Grond'
  25,339  1,000 ft    Encountered Gothmog, High Captain of Balrogs
  25,371  1,000 ft    Encountered Glaurung, the Deceiver
  25,393  1,000 ft    Slew Glaurung, the Deceiver
  25,395  1,000 ft    Destroyed Gothmog, High Captain of Balrogs
  25,480  1,000 ft    Cut a Silmaril from Morgoth's crown
  25,504  1,000 ft    Killed a great fire drake
  26,541  1,000 ft    (Curse Breaking)
  26,700  1,000 ft    Found The Dagger of Azaghal
  26,747  1,000 ft    Encountered Dagorhir, the Elfbane
  26,760  1,000 ft    Slew Dagorhir, the Elfbane
  26,901  1,000 ft    Found The Shortbow of Celegorm
  27,124  1,000 ft    I just spent a billionty turns
  27,124  1,000 ft    Clearing all of the throne room
  27,124  1,000 ft    Opening all the chests
  27,124  1,000 ft    Identifying all the treasure
  27,332  1,000 ft    Cut a Silmaril from Morgoth's crown
  27,414  1,000 ft    Cut a Silmaril from Morgoth's crown
  27,419  1,000 ft    Okay, all set for the ascent
  27,435    950 ft    Encountered Turkano, Balrog of the Hosts
  27,483    950 ft    Destroyed Turkano, Balrog of the Hosts
  28,112    750 ft    Man this ascent is fun! Tons of shit to kill
  28,525    650 ft    Encountered Delthaur, Balrog of Terror
  28,526    650 ft    You want some too motherfucker?
  28,533    650 ft    Destroyed Delthaur, Balrog of Terror
  28,598    650 ft    Encountered Lungorthin, Lord of Balrogs
  28,637    650 ft    Destroyed Lungorthin, Lord of Balrogs
  30,387    200 ft    Encountered Oikeroi, Guard of Tevildo
  30,388    200 ft    Encountered Tevildo, Prince of Cats
  30,391    200 ft    Slew Oikeroi, Guard of Tevildo
  30,395    200 ft    Slew Tevildo, Prince of Cats
  30,691     Gates    Entered The Gates of Angband
  30,954     Gates    Encountered Carcharoth, the Jaws of Thirst
  30,956     Gates    Slew Carcharoth, the Jaws of Thirst

  31,001     Gates    You escaped the Iron Hells on 10 June 2013.
  31,001     Gates    You brought back all three Silmarils from Morgoth's 
                      crown! 




  ['Score' 141368998]

Posted on 11.6.2013 00:30
Last updated on 11.6.2013 06:02

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On 11.6.2013 00:30 HallucinationMushroom wrote:
A 12 smithing start. The whole game has been kind of slow, but a lot of fun. I have pretty much cleared all the levels, killing everything. I have found tons of great stuff. I am most at home with high protection, and no, that is not a blocking protection... that would be 12-45, I think. If I can come across the fairly common 1d2 protection rings, 11-39, here I come! If I could find another forge, I need to add 1 pound to my helmet for 75, and another protection point.

Question: Is there any use to having an extra feanorian lamp? I've heard of others having an extra for some purpose.

On 11.6.2013 01:30 debo wrote:
This is amazeballs. Now you just need a weapon that doesn't suck.

On 11.6.2013 01:47 HallucinationMushroom wrote:
Agreed!, but while you're here, does dropping my extra feanorian lamp do any good? Me wantum Dramborleg, or better yet, Hurin!

On 11.6.2013 01:49 taptap wrote:
We are waiting for Song of Staying :)

On 11.6.2013 01:57 taptap wrote:
I never encountered anything that made me lose a lamp, I only keep spares as long as I don't have enough oil for a brass lamp or when the lamp has an additional function (artefact). You could smelt it and your mithril longsword and save one equipment slot without losing mithril that you might want for smithing a better weapon.

On 11.6.2013 01:59 debo wrote:
I'd save it to drop on the ground when Gwathrauko show up. I'm pretty sure Feanorian Lamps glow even when dropped, and they're radius 3. Your light radius / power sucks for 800' lol

On 11.6.2013 02:00 debo wrote:
You should rename this guy to Turtle

On 11.6.2013 02:04 taptap wrote:
Aaah dropping lamps! *note*

On 11.6.2013 02:05 debo wrote:
Doesn't work with fueled lamps though :(



On 11.6.2013 02:06 debo wrote:
I learned that one from Scatha :)

On 11.6.2013 02:12 taptap wrote:
Do feanorian lamps stack? Lesser jewels do, but I don't know whether lesser jewels are worth it against Gwathraukos.

I realize that I almost always had listen when very deep either as ability or by Curufin - with good ears you don't need light that much.

On 11.6.2013 02:13 debo wrote:
You haven't watched HM play. He kills all the things lol

On 11.6.2013 02:20 HallucinationMushroom wrote:
Don't you listen to him Protart, you *are* very strong. Shhh Debo, you are going to hurt his feelings! Haha. Yeah, 2d11 isn't so good, I need a 3dx.

Yeah, I have to agree with taptap on the listen chiefly because you can never really get enough light to always be protected against darkness. I had a silmaril once and still got completely enveloped. This is maybe the first time I didn't get inner light. I should probably pump perception up if I'm going to rely on it though, but for now I usually see the asterisk.

Song of staying would be cool... but I doubt I'll break my 13-55 (blocking) record with this guy. That didn't work so well last time.

On 11.6.2013 02:21 HallucinationMushroom wrote:
Oh yeah, thanks for the tip about the lamp... I will try it out.

On 11.6.2013 02:22 HugoTheGreat2011 wrote:
If you had the Hauberk of Nevrast with its 2d8 dice, you'd be unstoppable

On 11.6.2013 02:24 HugoTheGreat2011 wrote:
Speaking of Galadriel's sword, I always toss it because it's ill-suited for my two-handed smashdown playstyle. :)

On 11.6.2013 02:26 debo wrote:
Galadriel wouldn't work at all with this build. A high-evasion build with Parry, high strength, and momentum though... SO BADASS

On 11.6.2013 02:36 HugoTheGreat2011 wrote:
HM, let us know when you destroy Morgoth with this build. :)

On 11.6.2013 02:39 HallucinationMushroom wrote:
Ha, I don't know if I will take any singing. If I sang slaying+sharpness, I think I could win if I found or made a 3d5 4-5 lb weapon and took rapid attack, got the str point, made base melee +22 or so and maybe upped evasion a little. I'm tempted not to sing for thematic reasons. The whole time I've been playing, I feel like I'm in man-mode or something. Singing might ruin the mood. Without singing I couldn't do it.

On 11.6.2013 04:01 HallucinationMushroom wrote:
The rng really knows how to kill me... it gave me a 4 use enchanted forge and Calris. I am going to die now... but I am going to die happy.

On 11.6.2013 04:06 debo wrote:
Hmmm. Calris kills things fast, but your protection isn't quite as uncanny anymore and your evasion is atrocious :). I wonder if this will work. Only one way to find out :)

4d15 is still incredibly badass.


On 11.6.2013 04:39 HallucinationMushroom wrote:
Man, I just Roflstomped 900 and 950... but to be fair, no uniques other than Drauglin who fell in 3 quick strokes. I killed a great white drake, is an awesome power check. I decided that singing was manly. :/

I need woven themes, a little more singing power, opportunist-rapid attack, more melee ability.

On 11.6.2013 05:04 HallucinationMushroom wrote:
Gratifying doesn't begin to cover it.

On 11.6.2013 06:02 HallucinationMushroom wrote:
With the curse I needed the extra defense to manage the friggin' ONSLAUGHT of neverending monsters on the ascent. It was great fun. My singing bonus stayed very high. I nearly died at the gates, stuck in a pit, surrounded! It was lucky I had consumables on had, or that would have been one hell of a miserable way to die.

On 11.6.2013 06:04 HallucinationMushroom wrote:
I was tempted to stay in the throne room... I spent about 2000 turns gathering up treasures and completely clearing it. I didn't realize, or had forgotten, the throne room could spawn new monsters.

On 11.6.2013 13:28 HugoTheGreat2011 wrote:
What weapon +/- shield did you use to slay Morgoth? How many consumables did you have?

On 11.6.2013 14:16 HallucinationMushroom wrote:
I was using Calris and had a wealth of goods. Check my screenshot for actual data. I was channeling my inner Hugo.

On 11.6.2013 14:18 debo wrote:
You mean your inner hugo BOSS

On 11.6.2013 14:52 debo wrote:
I can just see it now

*HM walks into throne room with Calris*

Morgoth: *snort* wuzzat

HM: "PREPARE TO MEET YOUR DOOM!" *brandishes his flaming sword*

Morgoth: "GOTHMOGGGGGGGGGGG!"

*Gothmog hurries into the room, downtrodden*

Gothmog: "Y...yes, boss?"

Morgoth: "WHAT DID I TELL YOU ABOUT LEAVING YOUR SWORDS LYING AROUND?"

Gothmog: "Um... I..."

Morgoth: "It's GIANT and ON FIRE. Like your MOTHER. Can't you keep track of it for even a second?"

Gothmog: "It's not my fault! Dagorhir asked to borrow it, and you know how -"

Morgoth SLAPS Gothmog across the face.

Morgoth: "I don't want to hear it. Go take care of this nuisance, I've still got my cheese plate to take care of."

HM: "Um, can we get on with this please?"

*end of act one*




On 11.6.2013 17:11 HallucinationMushroom wrote:
lol, good stuff! Gothmog turned out to be harder to kill than Morgoth since he showed up after my voice died. It must have been the slap of awesomeness Morgy transferred...

I was still fighting him for many rounds when Glaurung showed up, killed Glaurung, and I was still fighting Gothmog. I burned 5 or 6 major heal, had to reactivate all my stat potions and 2 or 3 quickness potions. It didn't help that those capital green H's (That is the official name) kept showing up.

On 11.6.2013 19:01 HugoTheGreat2011 wrote:
Did you have any !Voice at disposal? How many of each stat potion did you have?

On 11.6.2013 19:01 HugoTheGreat2011 wrote:
Did you have any !Voice at disposal? How many of each stat potion did you have?

On 11.6.2013 19:25 HallucinationMushroom wrote:
I think it was 5 quick, 3 str, 4 dex, 2 con (this made me a little nervous on when to pop them), 3 grace, 5 rage, 2 murivor, 5 herb heals (beware gorge), 5 healing potions, 1 voice, 2 elemental resistances, 2 liquors (only useful if no rage to counter fear).

I have pulled off the throne room with much less before... I think for how I play, focusing on carnage as my main means of defense for the throne-room that is... my bare minimums would be 1 rage shroom, 1 quickness potion, 3 good heals, 1 con. That might not be enough, but those are required for me at the very least.

On 11.6.2013 20:26 HugoTheGreat2011 wrote:
It's funny how my potential Morgoth slayers have way more consumables. Yet, I can't seem to scratch .that punk at all, not even one star in 1.1.1

On 11.6.2013 20:40 HallucinationMushroom wrote:
Are you singing the slaying song? If so, are you also singing sharpness? If so, are you attacking twice, or three times a round? Are you hasted from potion? Those are essentials for me. I will go into further description, but it's really all about the song.

The ramp up of carnage from song of slaying hits ridiculous proportions once your song score hits about 13. It is a super overpowered ability. The first kill nets you +2, and because you get swarmed so quickly, and if you are killing quickly, it becomes +20 in no time flat. With grace potion, your sharpness is at song 12 as a minor theme, which is the score necessary to turn any weapon into a virtual Anglachel... it halves protection. I'm pretty sure I hit a few criticals with Calris, and it weighs 11 lbs. Without singing, I couldn't kill Morgy. In earlier editions, though I didn't get an official victory with it, I could charge+knockback to kill Morgy without song.

I know Psi, Debo, likely others can kill Morgy without singing, but if song gets nerfed... I'll have to go back to drawing board.

I don't know if this helps, and I didn't check your characters, but you don't seem like the type to sing... your characters are way more archetype warrior than even mine!

On 11.6.2013 23:27 debo wrote:
I've never killed him without sharpness before (i either had it on my weapon or the song.) I also suck at this game lol, I'm quite sure you have many more wins than I do.

I've found sharpness, concentration, and rapid attack are enough to take him down with a big weapon user, provided I am buffed and I have good perception. Song of slaying makes it way easier.

Hugo, miruvor also restores voice if you can't afford the inventory space for !Voice.

On 11.6.2013 23:37 HallucinationMushroom wrote:
Wait, what?! Miruvor restores voice. I had no clue. And, I'm just a one trick pony, but, what a fun one trick it is! Yeah, I remember you told me you used Saithnar without song of slaying. If I could be guaranteed a black blade maybe I could swing a non-singing victory... or Saithnar!

On 12.6.2013 02:50 taptap wrote:
Song changed afaik, it is always at least 50% - for people who get the song abilities by artefact or was this only true for other songs?

On 12.6.2013 03:38 HallucinationMushroom wrote:
I'f I'm understanding correctly, are you saying that sharpness is a guaranteed 50% protection reduction? It could be... I often play with misconceptions and bad data! From what I remember, I saw in the manual sometime back that song ability at 12 = 50% reduction, which usually isn't a problem since to get sharpness you've got 10 points in song already, plus your native grace. But, a woven theme is sung at -5 song ability.

Or are you talking about something else. Again, I'm often wrong. Never come to me for *actual* information. I play mostly from experience, intuition and alcohol.

On 12.6.2013 03:40 HallucinationMushroom wrote:
But, the sharp weapons are all guaranteed 50% reduction, except for Angrist which is 100%. The reduction stacks with song, so if you have Anglachel and sing sharpness well, you get close to removing all protection.

On 12.6.2013 04:32 debo wrote:
I think what taptap is referring to is that some of the songs (este, trees, etc.) would actually have zero or negative effect if you sang them at song skill levels below their req. (e.g. if you found barahir and tried to sing Este with 0 song, you would actually STOP regenerating altogether.)

I don't think this affected song of sharpness, though, so you still need the 12 for 50% effect or whatever. It's still useful even if you're knocking like 25% off the enemy's protection.

On 12.6.2013 04:34 debo wrote:
I think this is the most comments on a Sil dump ever.

On 12.6.2013 04:37 HugoTheGreat2011 wrote:
Most productive informative comments as such. :)

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