The Angband Ladder: Margor III, Edain Haleth no-class by ewan

  [Sil 1.0.1 Character Dump]

 Name   Margor III    Age       29       Str   6 =  1  +1      +4
 Sex    Female        Height   5'7       Dex   9 =  4          +5
 Race   Edain         Weight   129       Con   7 =  3  +1      +3
 House  Haleth                           Gra   0

 Game Turn   46,374   Melee (+35,1d14)   Melee       35 = 24  +9  +2
 Exp Pool       930   Bows  (+10,1d11)   Archery     10 =  0  +9  +1
 Total Exp  109,130   Armor [+34,6-16]   Evasion     34 = 20  +9  +5
 Burden       101.5                      Stealth     28 = 11  +9  +7  +1
 Max Burden   298.4   Health     71:71   Perception   9 =  9
 Depth           0'   Voice      20:20   Will        11 = 11
 Min Depth       0'                      Smithing     0 =  0
 Light Radius     6                      Song         0 =  0

 You are the first child of an archer. You are a credit to the family.
 You have brown eyes, curly brown hair, and an average complexion.






  [Last Messages]

> You nimbly dodge the falling rock!
> You see a Brilliant Blue Potion of Voice.
> You see a Maple Staff of Light (8 charges).
> You see a Set of Gauntlets (-1) [+0,1d1].
> You feel yourself moving faster!
> You have 11 Pale Green Potions of Quickness (j).
> You feel stronger.
> You have 7 Vermilion Potions of Strength (l).
> You feel more agile.
> You have 8 Violet Potions of Dexterity (m).
> You feel more resilient.
> You have 8 Sparkling Potions of Constitution (n).
> Character dump successful.
> Excessive skills! <2x>
> Character dump successful.


  [Screenshot]

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  [Equipment]

a) a Deathblade (+2,1d9) [+1] 2.0 lb
   It cannot be harmed by the elements.  
b) a Shortbow (+1,1d7) 1.5 lb
   It can shoot arrows 16 squares (with your current strength).
c) an Amethyst Ring of Damage <+2>
   It improves your damage sides by 2.  
d) an Amethyst Ring of Damage <+1>
   It improves your damage sides by 1.  
e) an Obsidian Amulet of Constitution <+1>
   It increases your constitution by 1.  It sustains your 
   constitution.  
f) a Silmaril
   It sustains your grace.  It grants you the ability to see
   invisible creatures.  It cannot be harmed by the elements.  
g) Galvorn Armour of Protection [-1,2d5]
   It cannot be harmed by the elements.  
h) a Shadow Cloak of Stealth [+4] <+5>
   It improves your stealth by 5.  It creates an unnatural
   darkness.  
i) (nothing)
j) a Jewelled Crown of Clarity [+0,1d1]
   It provides resistance to confusion, stunning, and 
   hallucination.  It cannot be harmed by the elements.  
k) a Set of Gauntlets of Power [+0,1d2] <+1>
   It increases your strength by 1.  
l) a Pair of Leather Boots of Softest Tread [+0,1d2] <+3>
   It improves your stealth by 3.  
m) 51 Arrows (Poisoned)
   They are branded with venom.  They can be shot 16 squares
   (with your current strength and bow).
n) 89 Arrows (+3)
   They can be shot 16 squares (with your current strength and bow).


  [Inventory]

a) 20 Pale Herbs of Rage
b) 10 Black Herbs of Sustenance
c) 14 Mottled Herbs of Healing
d) 16 Russet Herbs of Restoration
e) 16 Clear Potions of Miruvor
f) 11 Murky Brown Potions of Orcish Liquor
g) 23 Bright Orange Potions of Healing
h) 17 Shimmering Potions of True Sight
i) 17 Dark Blue Potions of Slow Poison
j) 11 Pale Green Potions of Quickness
k) 5 Brown Potions of Elemental Resistance
l) 7 Vermilion Potions of Strength
m) 8 Violet Potions of Dexterity
n) 8 Sparkling Potions of Constitution
o) an Aspen Staff of Revelations (0 charges)
p) a Jet Ring of Frost
   It provides resistance to fire.  
q) a Moonstone Ring of Warmth
   It provides resistance to cold.  
r) a Silmaril
   It sustains your grace.  It grants you the ability to see
   invisible creatures.  It cannot be harmed by the elements.  
s) a Set of Leather Gloves of Dexterity <+1>
   It increases your dexterity by 1.  
t) The Dagger of Nargil (+5,1d5) 0.5 lb
   It cuts easily through armour.  It can be thrown effectively
   (20 squares).  It cannot be harmed by the elements.  
u) The Shortsword of Amrod (+1,1d7) [+1] <+2> 1.5 lb
   It improves your stealth and perception by 2.  It grants you 
   freedom of movement.  It cannot be harmed by the elements.  
v) a Shovel (-2,3d1) <+1> 7.4 lb
   It improves your tunneling by 1.  It requires both hands to
   wield it properly.  


  [Notes]

Margor III of the Edain
Entered Angband on 5 Feb 2012

    Turn     Depth    Note

       0     50 ft    (Finesse)
       0     50 ft    (Assassination)
     773    200 ft    (Parry)
   2,105    250 ft    Slew Gorgol, the Butcher
   3,437    250 ft    (Subtlety)
   5,415    300 ft    (Crowd Fighting)
   5,645    350 ft    Found The Longsword 'Orcrist'
   6,055    350 ft    (Cruel Blow)
   7,254    350 ft    (Opportunist)
   8,423    500 ft    (Riposte)
   9,304    500 ft    Slew Ulfang the Black
   9,424    500 ft    Found The Shortsword of Amrod
  10,188    500 ft    Slew Othrond, the Orc Lord
  11,174    500 ft    (Lore-Keeper)
  11,174    500 ft    (Lore-Master)
  12,078    500 ft    (Disguise)
  12,518    500 ft    Found The Kite Shield of Hador
  13,206    550 ft    (Vanish)
  14,126    550 ft    Slew Orcobal, Champion of the Orcs
  14,751    600 ft    (Exchange Places)
  15,617    600 ft    Found The Pearl 'Nimphelos'
  15,784    600 ft    (Focused attack)
  15,784    600 ft    (Concentration)
  17,445    650 ft    (Dexterity)
  17,496    650 ft    Found The Longsword 'Narsil'
  18,247    700 ft    Found The Dagger 'Angrist'
  18,255    700 ft    Woohoo!  Armour cleavage!
  18,538    700 ft    Slew Gilim, the Giant of Eruman
  18,538    700 ft    Found The Mail Corslet of Fingon
  18,917    750 ft    Slew Umuiyan, the Doorkeeper
  19,814    800 ft    (Eye for Detail)
  20,762    800 ft    Slew Tevildo, Prince of Cats
  21,287    800 ft    Found The Mattock 'Burkfelek'
  24,130    900 ft    Slew Draugluin, Sire of Werewolves
  24,130    900 ft    Found The Wolf-Hame of Draugluin
  24,278    900 ft    Destroyed Lungorthin, the Balrog of White Fire
  24,886    900 ft    Slew Scatha the Worm
  24,913    900 ft    Found The Longbow 'Belthronding'
  24,916    900 ft    Slew Smaug the Golden
  24,918    900 ft    Sad to abandon Belthronding :(
  25,710    900 ft    Slew Oikeroi, Guard of Tevildo
  26,494    950 ft    Found The Spear 'Aeglos'
  26,728    950 ft    Found The Battle Axe of Hurin
  26,731    950 ft    And now leaving Hurin also!
  27,688    950 ft    (Dexterity)
  27,821    950 ft    Slew Ancalagon the Black
  28,595    950 ft    (Master Hunter)
  28,595    950 ft    "Min depth 1000" - incoming!
  29,608  1,000 ft    Entered Morgoth's throne room
  29,651  1,000 ft    Slew Thuringwethil, the Vampire Messenger
  29,651  1,000 ft    Found The Bat-Fell of Thuringwethil
  29,769  1,000 ft    Slew Glaurung, the Deceiver
  29,802  1,000 ft    (Dodging)
  29,895  1,000 ft    Destroyed Gothmog, High Captain of Balrogs
  30,033  1,000 ft    (Sprinting)
  30,600  1,000 ft    Found The Round Shield of Angrod
  30,859  1,000 ft    Found The Massive Iron Crown of Morgoth
  30,985  1,000 ft    Cut a Silmaril from Morgoth's crown
  30,986  1,000 ft    Found The Massive Iron Crown of Morgoth
  31,003  1,000 ft    Cut a Silmaril from Morgoth's crown
  31,004  1,000 ft    Found The Massive Iron Crown of Morgoth
  32,313    900 ft    Slew Dagorhir, the Elfbane
  33,747    850 ft    (Hardiness)
  36,889    550 ft    (Charge)
  38,109    700 ft    Entered the forge 'Orodruth'
  38,255    750 ft    Slight deathblade upgrade!
  39,271    900 ft    (Knock Back)
  39,271    900 ft    OK, ready for round 2..
  39,334    900 ft    Hey, I got a star off him...
  39,344    900 ft    Two stars!
  39,349    900 ft    Back to one star.  Not getting knockbacks.
  39,367    900 ft    Three stars, though; he's in constant pain and I think 
                      this will work 
  39,426    900 ft    Dammit!  Back to zero stars.
  39,540    900 ft    Slew Maeglin, Betrayer of Gondolin
  39,540    900 ft    Found The Galvorn Armour of Maeglin
  39,704    950 ft    Ha ha!  Can't get back to 1000'.
  39,956    950 ft    Found The Dagger of Nargil
  40,452    850 ft    Entered Cat Fortress
  43,032    400 ft    Slew Uldor, the Accursed
  44,918     Gates    Entered The Gates of Angband
  46,221     Gates    Slew Carcharoth, the Jaws of Thirst
  46,223     Gates    (Strength)

  46,373     Gates    You escaped the Iron Hells on 06 February 2012.
  46,373     Gates    You brought back two Silmarils from Morgoth's crown!




  ['Score' 041253626]


Posted on 6.2.2012 16:40
Last updated on 7.2.2012 04:43

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On 6.2.2012 16:40 ewan wrote:
Same gameplan. Amrod is a nice find; most recent event was emerging at 650' fo find a sleeping Deathblade - well, it never woke up :). But although the 1d9 is nice, I suspect that Amrod will be the primary weapon for a bit. Hmm. This would be good for two-weapon fighting if it were not going to gimp Subtlety, on which I rely; o well.

Some of the criticals are great: serpents going down to a single 9d8 blow, for instance! Would be nice to get some relevant stat boosts at some point soon, but going OK thus far againa... will try to avoid getting surrounded this time :(.

On 6.2.2012 16:40 ewan wrote:
All of this looks admittedly feeble next to Psi's characters :)

On 6.2.2012 17:01 Scatha wrote:
A back of the envelope calculation suggests you'd be getting slightly better attacks with the deathblade even given the extra weight and the boosts to Assassination and Focused Attack from the shortsword; this is partly because your Gauntlets of Power are going to waste at present, and 1d11 is quite an upgrade from 1d8. It's particularly true against sleeping rather than unwary enemies.

Against that, Stealth and Perception are useful beyond adding to your to-hit, the Free Action is good, and having a lighter weapon will help you to inflict more Cruel Blows in regular combat. I'm not sure which weapon is the better standardly ...

Good work ambushing the deathblade, by the way!

On 6.2.2012 17:28 ewan wrote:
Oathwraiths suck. The 'Resist criticals' pretty much makes them impossible for this char.

[I'm guessing Morgoth has that; that makes him a nonstarter, I think.]

On 6.2.2012 17:40 ewan wrote:
OK, here's latest. Interesting dilemma (at least I think so): do I wear this neat Corslet that Gilim just dropped? Costs 3 evasion *and* 3 stealth, but 7 extra health and rFear. That last probably not a big deal; I suspect that the answer is no on balance, but it pains me not to do so!

And of course just after I decided to wear a Warmth ring permanently and dropped one of my evasion rings, Gilim also drops this cloak of warmth. So I need another rign now, please..

On 6.2.2012 18:10 Scatha wrote:
It's generally monsters without obvious flesh which are resistant to criticals (in particular all of the undead; some of the Raukar; deathblades; and the statues are immune). In particular, Morgoth is perfectly succeptible to them.

You only get half the normal number of criticals against enemies who resist them. You can always carry a big switch weapon for fighting such opponents (this is what I normally do), and avoid fighting them or quaff a Potion of Strength if they're still problematic.

On 6.2.2012 18:12 Scatha wrote:
I can't see the armour that you're comparing Fingon's corslet to (it's probably on the ground). My guess is that you want the lighter armour ... it's possible you should keep the mail to switch into for open combat, but this depends a bit on what your approach to open combat is.

On 6.2.2012 18:19 ewan wrote:
I'm toting the corslet; the alternative is nothing :).

If Morgoth takes crits, I'm going to go for him if I get there..

..and yeah, I can imagine cases where I might want to put on the mailshirt for a second once I know that I am planning to fight.

Right now I'm being selective *but* only a little so - skipping oathwraiths by getting out of sight at which point they seem to become unwary very fast; and fighting colddrakes only if they're alone. The advice to use the deathblade for initial strikes was correct, I think: many enemies get no return hits because they're hit so hard and writhing in pain.

I am almost done with abilities, I suspect. Maybe sprinting, and the DEX point if I can get up to 20 in evasion; otherwise just melee, evasion, and perhaps a bit of stealth if I start to need it again.

On 6.2.2012 19:09 ewan wrote:
Just had 3 successive 10d11 criticals. If I can do that against the big M...

On 6.2.2012 19:09 ewan wrote:
Hmm; also thinking I should pick up a spare deathblade for the crown, maybe?

On 6.2.2012 19:36 ewan wrote:
Reading the manual, I don't get how I can be achieving such criticals. Let's assume that I 'roll' a 20: my attack score is a max of 49 (right?) and a sleeping monster is a min of -4; so a max gap of 53. (7+weapon weight) is ~9, so the max multiple of 9 I can get is 5, for a hit of 6d11 - what am I missing here? :)

Hang on. Aha! Now maybe I understand what finess and subtlety are doing? They're lowering the (7+x) number, correct? So it's down to 6, and I can get 8 or 9 extra dice? OK.

AND I get a bonus from stealth by using assassination - ok, that's a +21 right there. And wait! - I should pause one turn before such stabs, to take advamntage of focussed attacks.

Cool. Neat to see system in action and take the time to work it through.


On 6.2.2012 19:40 Scatha wrote:
A spare deathblade isn't necessarily a bad idea. Also note that you can always find a deathblade with a bigger to-hit bonus! But on the other hand they will be dangerous opponents, so be careful.

I doubt that you're going to have much of a chance of killing V; you only get such extreme criticals when your foe hasn't noticed you, and he'll see you after the first hit. You could Vanish, of course, but he'll regenerate from a hit like that in about four turns. And I'll point out that there's a prize beyond his head in the picture: you could be the first combatant winner from the Edain.

On 6.2.2012 19:56 Scatha wrote:
Sounds like you've got the hang of the workings of the critical system. Subtlety (together with Finesse) reduces the width for each critical to (4+weapon weight), so 6.3 for the deathblade (can get down to around 5 for a shortsword).

On 6.2.2012 20:04 ewan wrote:
Or 4.8 for Angrist. 5.9 for the current deathblade. But I go from d11 to d7, which is a big loss. Even if I gain a couple extra sides, something like e.g. 8d7 < 6d11 so the deathblade is better.

HOW fast does V regenerate? Holy cow. He'll be confused (assuming that he feels pain) and yeah, I was thinking I would vanish, but if he's going to be back at full strength that fast it may not fly. Too bad.

On 6.2.2012 20:19 ewan wrote:
Looks as though the max (which I just hit) right now is 11d10. Which is fun indeed, but sounds as though would only scratch V.

On 6.2.2012 21:51 ewan wrote:
Up to 13d11, against a sleeping cold-drake who rolled a 1 to my 18 :)

On 6.2.2012 22:13 ewan wrote:
Never found a better deathblade (nor many at all) nor something special like a shadow cloak of Stealth; but still, the min depth is at 1000 and I'm going in..

On 6.2.2012 22:15 ewan wrote:
Plan is to slay stuff while vanishing if needed; knock off the crown and escape from sight when an earthquake occurs; and loop around for the Sils.

We'll see!

I'm counting on the xp from 1000 to allow me to gain sprinting at some stage, which may have been an error..

On 6.2.2012 22:52 ewan wrote:
Dancing around the throne room. Thuringwethil, Glaurung and Gothmog down without issue, but there's something in darkness over on the right that is scary and must be Shelob or something. Otherwise, most of the orcs and Troll guard are down, as well as an unrelenting horror..

On 6.2.2012 22:53 ewan wrote:
Up to 13d12 on some criticals :)

On 6.2.2012 23:00 ewan wrote:
OK, I think we've cleared it out other than V. Based on my experience last time I was here, my evasion is high enough that the only thing I have to fear from in terms of instadeath is the shattering blows; I have enough healing that being killed shouldn't be an issue, I hope...

...so I'm going to try to go toe-to-toe and see whether I can crit enough. Foolish? Possibly :). But I have some confidence that I can always run if I need to...

On 6.2.2012 23:13 ewan wrote:
OK, this is fully 'buffed' such as it is..

On 6.2.2012 23:16 ewan wrote:
One weirdness: when hitting V, it says 'You have yet to encounter this foe.'

Crown off with first blow no problem. Reeling in pain. Can I keep it up??

On 6.2.2012 23:20 ewan wrote:
Well, yes and no. I can keep him reeling. But it doesn't seem to be actually damaging him faster than he can heal...

...which leaves us in this ludicrous position of me bashing V around his throne room, him reeling in pain but yelling, Monty Python-like, " 'tis but a flesh wound!"

:-)

On 6.2.2012 23:26 ewan wrote:
And I can't make him unwary fast enough, As Scatha said.

OK, giving up on that: he gets to live, afraid only of Psi ;). But I'm whipping out my armour-cutting dagger and taking his pretties!

On 6.2.2012 23:36 ewan wrote:
Cut the first one easily; then my armour-cutting dagger shattered. [Is that hard-coded? I wondered about 'cheating' and switching weapons, having the switch-in shatter, then going back to the first one...]

On 6.2.2012 23:39 ewan wrote:
Nope, that 3rd is not happening. It looks as though the defense is up to 30d4, and that's tough to beat twice in a row.

Honestly, I think that I probably could if I were willing to sit here and keep pressing kyyyyyyy over and over again, with periodic breaks to lead V off around the dungeon, but I'll leave that to someone else, I think. V just turned up; I'm going to go lead him away and come back for one more try, but...

On 6.2.2012 23:44 ewan wrote:
Wonder whether I could have chosen ']' as my Bane? :)

On 6.2.2012 23:45 ewan wrote:
OK, giving up on pretties, time to leave..

On 6.2.2012 23:46 ewan wrote:
Interestingly given my previous commentary, I did not use 'Exchange Places' once this game so far. Just took more care not to be trapped. We'll see whether it holds for the climb.

On 7.2.2012 00:15 ewan wrote:
Occurs to me that I might have tried Rage on the crown. Doubt that it would have helped, but..

On 7.2.2012 00:40 ewan wrote:
And in fact I am not convinced yet that i can't off V. Just invested in Charge (here's an updated dump); maybe I can scrounge enough kills to afford Knock-back as well and we can see..

On 7.2.2012 01:13 ewan wrote:
I think that this is working! Three stars down so far.

The whole knock-back thing is not happening - waste of xp; my weapon just isn't heavy enough I think. BUT hitting almost every turn for a critical is wearing him down, I think.

I wonder whether the crown is still sitting down at 1000'?

On 7.2.2012 04:01 ewan wrote:
Well, crud.

Not happening. I got all excited at 3 stars down...and then watched as two rounds without a good crit brought V back up to full health! And from then it never got better.

I'll take one more crack after I clear, with luck, the entrance gates, but much less confident now. And the wasted xp on knock-back... grr.

ALSO I realised that I should have saved xp for Song of Sharpness to get the third Silmaril.

O well. If I get through this one as a proof of principle, I might take a crack at a STR-DEX combo and be able to use a bigger weapon at the end. Anyway, onward..


On 7.2.2012 04:08 ewan wrote:
I mean, c'mon; I'm getting up to 13d14. How hard do I have to hit here? :)

On 7.2.2012 04:40 ewan wrote:
Doesn't matter: not allowed to re-enter the pit, it seems. Nothing left but freedom; may as well go out in style. Final dump in a sec :).

On 7.2.2012 04:44 ewan wrote:
That was *fun*. Next time, Morgoth baby, the people of Haleth are taking you out!

On 7.2.2012 09:12 Psi wrote:
That is a fantastic effort. I've tried a few Noldor assassin characters recently and I know my playstyle needs tweaking, but they do not seem at all easy to get going. Now to do it with an Edain is mighty impressive.

On 7.2.2012 15:53 ewan wrote:
Thanks. I agree that the late game is the easiest - almost nothing survived being hit while asleep. The most dangerous foes were:
(i) dark-cloaked enemies; these often needed careful management because I think their auras combine, so fighting them in the open would have been suicide. [Yet another regret - I should have wielded a Sil and gone to see what it was over there on the right of the Throneroom]
(ii) very alert enemies such as cat assasins; especially those which te ded to move around. I should - yes, yes, ANOTHER thing I did wrong - have turned off Opportunist in some cases, because one would move away from me, get hit with an unfocussed attack, not die, and then raise the alarm.

Vampire lords seem to be both of these and were very dangerous.

Game plan for Round 2, Son of Margor:
* Invest in Sharpness Song if needed
* Try the weapon-shattering 'cheat' if needed
* Limit perception to 7 points (for Lore-Master) and skip Will, narrowing down to ONLY melee/evasion/stealth
* Try to find more STR items! [There is, I think, a really powerful smithing-stealth char possible, using smithing to boost STR and going assassin rather than warrior.]

On 7.2.2012 15:55 ewan wrote:
I might try some very early diving-for-xp, too.

On 7.2.2012 17:44 Scatha wrote:
Congratulations. This is very impressive.

A couple of comments on your plans:

- Without Will you might find dragons a bit too dangerous to be worth taking on. They have enough health that they might not go down in one hit, and they have various mesmerising abilities; neither Confusion nor Entrancement would guarantee your death, but they'd be risky. I'd guess you could normally kill dragons, but it depends on how safe you want to be.

- Extra Strength wouldn't have been doing anything for your combat here (some minor effects: increasing carrying capacity, helping you break free of webs, resisting disarming). You only get strength bonuses to damage up to the weight of your weapon in pounds (or weight/1.5 for two-handed weapons).

On 7.2.2012 19:19 ewan wrote:
Hmm. First, thanks for the info :). The dragon risk I *might* take - even if they're not dead in one blow they tend to be reeling until death. [I did have several problems with silent wtchers and the like causing me to be afraid even with fear resistance.]

The damage cap effect is going to be a challenge, though. Given that damage is ~# dice * half of die size, the tradeoff works in favour of getting more dice and hence a focus on criticals *should* be OK (i.e. sticking with light weapons rather thantrying for a heavier weapon + more strength), but it's entirely possible that I may be unable to do enough damage output to combat V's regeneration. I'm guessing that this would not bother you! Other suggestions welcome..

On 7.2.2012 19:19 ewan wrote:
Hmm. First, thanks for the info :). The dragon risk I *might* take - even if they're not dead in one blow they tend to be reeling until death. [I did have several problems with silent wtchers and the like causing me to be afraid even with fear resistance.]

The damage cap effect is going to be a challenge, though. Given that damage is ~# dice * half of die size, the tradeoff works in favour of getting more dice and hence a focus on criticals *should* be OK (i.e. sticking with light weapons rather thantrying for a heavier weapon + more strength), but it's entirely possible that I may be unable to do enough damage output to combat V's regeneration. I'm guessing that this would not bother you! Other suggestions welcome..

On 7.2.2012 19:22 ewan wrote:
Will Songs of Slaying and/or Sharpness help? I'm planning to get them anyway; on ther other hand, that's going to be just one more potion that I have to keep up on, and one of the big problems w/ V is that he takes long enough I have to re-quaff, and hence he gets free turns of regeneration.

OK, OK, this may all be futile :).

On 7.2.2012 19:47 Scatha wrote:
I don't know whether you have any real chance of success (I'd be quite happy if you don't, but even then I couldn't help but cheer on your heroic if ultimately futile attempt!), but here are my thoughts on things which might help a little:

I was actually surprised to see you leave Aeglos behind, by the way. Because of the Cold branding and large single die I think that might have been your best weapon for open combat, in spite of not having Subtlety apply. (Not certain about that, as I just made a rough estimate, and it would have been worse at getting cruel blows.)

Song of Sharpness would help a bit since Morgoth has good armour. Song of Slaying might not be great for that fight as if you're not killing things then the bonus fades away. Rapid attack could help you too -- particularly good if you have Song of Sharpness going, and it would let you use the excess Strength you're so keen on acquiring! :)

On 7.2.2012 19:51 ewan wrote:
Thanks again :). Yeah, I think of this as a likely-doomed noble quest.

OK, Sharpness is a go. Rapid Attack I guess I can try to acquire and turn off if not helping - my thinking was that it would lower crits too much. How much does V regenerate, anyway?

On 7.2.2012 21:14 half wrote:
Great work ewan on the first successful combat-oriented Edain! I wouldn't call it cheating to use your foreknowledge in the throne room -- it is the expected behaviour for people who have tried it before. It is also possible sometimes to get all three out with your backup weapon.

On 7.2.2012 21:15 half wrote:
Oh, and in answer to one of your questions: yes darkness from multiple creatures stacks (as does light). This makes multiple Gwathraukar very nasty indeed.

On 7.2.2012 21:50 Scatha wrote:
To be clearer about Song of Sharpness: V's protection (once the crown is off) is [5d4]. With 12 Song you'd be halving that, which is the equivalent of about 6 extra damage per strike, or one extra critical if you're doing d11s/d12s.

He regenerates something like 50 health every three rounds.

On 7.2.2012 22:03 ewan wrote:
~17/round? Just to keep up? yeah, unlikely. I need a Song of Rotting or something to prevent it :)

On 8.2.2012 07:54 decoy wrote:
And the People of Haleth score again! Nice work. Got nothing against Beor's house, they're good people, but the folk of Hador are just a bit too insane for my liking. The Haladin are nice & sensible.

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