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  • relic
    Apprentice
    • Oct 2010
    • 76

    Suggestion for a new variant

    Hi all

    Would it be possible or fun to make a variant based on the writings of Jack Vance. It could be called Vangband or Vanceband or something like that. I have thought about it, but I could not do it myself. But if someone else is interested here are some thoughts.

    Spells:
    In his Dying Earth series there are a number of spells described that have tantalizing names like

    the Spell of the Slow Hour
    Lugweiler's Dismal Itch
    Inside Out and Over
    the Spell of Internal Effervescence
    Ctambard's Rein of Long Nerves
    Xarfaggio's Physical Malepsy
    Call of the Violent Cloud
    Excellent Prismatic Spray
    Phandaal's Gyrator
    Charm of Untiring Nourishment
    Panguire's Triumph of Discomfort
    Thasdrubal's Laganetic Transfer

    to mention some.

    Some spells seem at first to be hard to fit or implement in the Angband spell system. For example, the Spell of the Macroid Toe, which causes the toe of the victim to swell to the size of a house. This would immobilize the victim, but not paralyze him.
    In an Angband context, this could be a temporary effect during which various teleportation spells would be useless. After the temporary effect, there could be a message, something like "Your/It's toe returns to it's original size." and the player/monster can move once more.

    Phandaal's Mantle of Stealth is a spell but has a name that sounds like it is an object. One could possibly choose to implement it either way.

    If one would want different spell realms as in Zangband, in the short story Green Magic there are four different spell realms mentioned: white, black, purple, and green magic.


    If one wants different cities (with wilderness), here are some suggestions:
    Almery
    Kaiin
    Ampridatvir
    Azenomei


    Objects: I think that present objects (rings, potions, amulets etc) in Angband can be readily transferred to a Vance setting, perhaps with some name changes.

    Some specific objects that are mentioned in the Dying Earth series are:
    Thyle dust
    Expansible egg
    Tube of Blue Concentrate
    IOUN stones
    Live boots
    Rapier of T'sais
    Scintillant dagger

    Monsters:
    But it is the many Vance monsters and villains that I find most intriguing. In the Dying Earth series there are examples like:

    archveult
    asm
    clevenger
    deodand
    erb
    flantic
    gid
    basilisk
    grue
    hoon
    felinodore
    madlock
    leucomorph
    pelgrane
    pincerlizard
    rostgobler - hyperborean sloth
    sime
    tasp
    vampire-weed
    visp
    whorl

    and many more. For uniques there are many to choose from:

    Mazirian the Magician
    Liane the Wayfarer
    Thrang, the Ghoul-bear
    Koolbaw, the walking Serpent
    the demons Phampoun, Yaunt, Jastenave, Aldemar, Suul.
    Blikdak, another demon
    Iucounu, the Laughing Magician
    Faucelme
    Nissifer
    Magnatz

    and of course Chun the Unavoidable, which I believe already is found in OAngband.


    If one includes monsters/uniques from other books one could also have:

    King Kragen, Greater Kragen, Lesser kragen

    Various dragons from the Dragon Masters: Termagant, Fiend, Long-Horned Murderer, Blue Horror, Jugger, Striding Murderer

    From Planet of Adventure:
    Blue, Green and Old Chasch, Chashman
    Dirdir, Dirdirman, Immaculate Dirdirman
    etc

    and as uniques:
    The Five Demon Princes
    Hildemar Dasce (Beauty Dasce)
    Aila Woudiver
    The Tree of Kyril - "Twenty miles high and a trunk five miles in diameter. The Vital Exprescience"
    Three-Legged Joe
    The Phantom Milkman
    Laoome, Third of Narfilhet, the Worldthinker, the Final Sage of the Fifth Universe (long name that)

    and last but not least
    Bad Ronald
    "Having read the book, you feel an intense desire to kill this character"

    And for those of you who are unfamiliar with the work of Jack Vance, I can only recommend that you check it out.
    If you cannot answer a man's argument, all is not lost; you can still call him vile names. ~Elbert Hubbard
  • Antoine
    Ironband/Quickband Maintainer
    • Nov 2007
    • 1010

    #2
    [artfully dissimulating gaze, while idly stroking tame pelgrane]

    Do you, yourself, possess any IOUN stones? I am eager to enlarge my collection...

    A.
    Ironband - http://angband.oook.cz/ironband/

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    • Fendell Orcbane
      Swordsman
      • Apr 2010
      • 460

      #3
      All I have to say is FUCK YES! The other thing that I would have to say is that while I like Vance's works much better that Tolkien's( I hope I don't get kicked out of here for saying that!) I think it would be hard to base a game around any of his works...although his Ideas are great for inspiring stuff.

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      • relic
        Apprentice
        • Oct 2010
        • 76

        #4
        Originally posted by Antoine
        [artfully dissimulating gaze, while idly stroking tame pelgrane]

        Do you, yourself, possess any IOUN stones? I am eager to enlarge my collection...

        A.
        Alas, I have but a few, but they are well hidden, and protected by a powerful spell that will turn the unwary perpetrator inside out, to his detriment.
        If you cannot answer a man's argument, all is not lost; you can still call him vile names. ~Elbert Hubbard

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        • Mikko Lehtinen
          Veteran
          • Sep 2010
          • 1246

          #5
          Of course there's the excellent Dying Earth RPG that you could browse for inspiration.

          I'm afraid that a Dying Earth roguelike wouldn't feel complete without interaction with NPCs, and maybe some social conflict game mechanics.

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          • NotMorgoth
            Adept
            • Feb 2008
            • 234

            #6
            It's not obvious how you would win the game in a Vance-themed version. it's not as thought there is any "ultimate enemy" like Morgoth, or even any world-changing "quests" or occurrences in the books, just a lot of individuals looking out for themselves.

            Edit: I guess there could be some kind of quest to find a way to stop the sun dying, but doing stuff like that just doesn't seem in the spirit of Vance's characters.

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