Review: Vanilla Angband

[TJA]

PART I.
Compilation

OK, this is not strictly a variant as it is the base, but as all other Review are posted here, i will include the V review here as well, if nobody minds.

tar xzf angband-3.0.9-src.tar.gz
cd angband-3.0.9
./configure
make

Lots of errors regarding "ncurses".
With "configure" this should not happen - but we know what to do to fix Angband 3.0.9: Edit src/autoconf.h.in to comment out the HAVE_STDBOOL_H line.

BUT note, that this needs to be the first step - later you need to edit src/autoconf.h

make
make install
./angband

Works, but the compilation problem can sure not be solved without help from knowing people
It goes beyond enabling ncurses, IMHO.

First impression: Questions could just be answered with <Return>, which is great IMHO

[takkaria]

Lots of errors regarding "ncurses".
With "configure" this should not happen - but we know what to do to fix Angband 3.0.9: Edit src/autoconf.h.in to comment out the HAVE_STDBOOL_H line.

BUT note, that this needs to be the first step - later you need to edit src/autoconf.h

Indeed. Most people won't be running a library from 2004, though, or I'd've got far more complaints.

[Fuma]

IMHO you're missing the point here. If it's a review of Angband, it should be in the Angband forum. That's why it was created. To separate all the variants from the (more popular) Vanilla.

Also, you should note that most players are on windows. Especially new players. That's why most people won't really care about how easy/hard it is to play the game on other platforms.

I do understand your pain, as I was using Slackware for over a year, and Kubuntu for another, but in almost all cases I managed to find a solution to any problem I had, so a linux user is IMO used to having trouble installing stuff. Else, he's not a real linux user :P

Lastly, I have to note that you should make one *full* review at a time. Not six (or whatever) simultaneously.
What you're doing now will leave the potential readers with multiple unfinished and thus not very helpful reviews.

Oh, and one more thing. What questions are you talking about?

[TJA]

Please don´t get me wrong, takkaria - i don´t want to step on your toes

But i regulary and very often compile software and i never had such a problem with ncurses or configure in general!
Also, SuSE 9.3 is a very common distribution between root-Server providers and still actualy installed! SuSE 10 is popping up more and more, that is true ...

But, we talk about a Roguelike!
It should compile flawlessly on any old Linux, IMHO!
And with configure that should be no problem, or?
BTW, no other variant has the same problem - to say that again

I would offer to fix that, but i have no real idea about autoconf/automake and consorts ... but i know that many, many people will not be able to compile this!

So, please just take my posting (and complain, yes) as a feedback - in a hope to get this fixed

[TJA]

FUMA, your arguments may be valid or not - but they are not what i talk about.

1) I already wrote, that i know it is the "wrong" forum - but as all other reviews are here, i thought it would fit better.

2) What happens on Windows is also not what i talked about.
I talk about the ability to fiddle around with the source and make changes - most people i know have no such ability or even software under Windows.
But all of those who use Linux - and this exactly is what i talked about.

3) What, why and when i review something is MY thing of course
I an doing this for myself and others who may be interested and i do is as i see fit (BTW, this makes it much more easy to compare the same aspect all variants)

Ignore it or read it

[Fuma]

And I do know that you know. I've read the post, duh. I'm only saying that I disagree about it fitting better here, with the rest.

Secondly, you started many new threads with pretty much the same content, so it's only natural of me to suggest maybe making one at a time, or maybe if you want to compare them all, you could set up a site with a nice table to compare all the variants that you're testing. That way you'd have more flexibility of how to display your results, and people could still comment in the thread in which you'd post the page.

"Ignore it or read it" isn't a very friendly attitude :> Especially as there aren't any options to ignore a single thread :P
Still, you haven't answered what are those questions you're talking about.

[TJA]

I still could not get a Wiki running - so i use the forum as documentation base while i progress

[tigen]

Why do you need a wiki? An html file would work. You apparently have a server, as indicated in your entroband post.

[TJA]

Yep, i have several servers.
But it´s too much work to constantly haggle with HTLM ...
I am lazy

Just look at http://www.bad-server.de
It´s only a list of URLs - but not clickable ...
With HTLM this is too much work.

With a Wikki, it´s the same work, but i could use the links directly

[Fuma]

Just look at http://www.tja-server.de
It´s only a list of URLs - but not clickable ...
With HTLM this is too much work.

Setting up a wiki is more work than using vi to edit the html.
Open index.html in vim. Set the cursor on the first line you want to fix, and type:

q1v$yi<a target="window" href="[press escape]A"><font color="green">[escape]pA</font></a>[escape]/http[enter]q

Now all you have to do is to press @1 and the line is made into a link.
In case you don't want a line to be made into a link, or it is already, just skip it and position the cursor on the next one.

And if it isn't faster than setting up a wiki, I don't know what is.

[TJA]

My friend, you are full of good ideas.
Still, i realy have no use for them ...
I am a UNIX guy for over 20 years now, working in that area, also running several server and sites - so PLEASE let me decide myself if i prefer a Wikki or continue to fiddle around with HTLM, yes? And YES, i know HTML and vi and also Emacs BTW.
Thanx!
I realy hate that forums and newsgroups attract people who NEED to jump in and comment - whatever and whyever.

[Fuma]

Bah. Just trying to be helpful, since you only mentioned that you're to lazy to make html links. No need to get all pissed off.

Whatever. That's it for OT from me.

[TJA]

http://angband.oook.cz/forum/showpost.php?p=2191&postcount=6

Still, a Wikki is much more comfortable for adding, removing and changings lists of URLS ...

[Daven_26d1]

I was gonna write a lot here. Imagine that, me writing a lot.
It would have looked like this:

<flame>RANT RANT RANT RANT</flame>

But I decided to be nice. Lets just say that forums are for discussion - and if you're going to make like 50 unsolicted posts in a week, how can you get annoyed when people "just jump in and comment". Forums are for opinions and questions, so stop getting stroppy when people ask why you choose to do something the way you do, or give their view on it. Everyone here has as much right to post as you do, even if you spawned the thread; *especially* so in the case of all these reviews - we're quite aware you only got V running a week ago, remember?

[TJA]

Everyone here has as much right to post as you do, even if you spawned the thread; *especially* so in the case of all these reviews - we're quite aware you only got V running a week ago, remember?

I will also be nice. Fine?

Posting in a topic is different from telling somebody how and what he has to do.
Completely offtopic i said that i am fighting with a wikki and got a comment to drop that and use vi instead.
And this is NOT OK!


BTW, what has people commenting to do with the problems to compile V?!?

Just trying to say something?

Try again ...