Immunities

[whartung]

There shouldn't be any immunities. Being safe won't motivate to play well.

It's just a false hope, always has been.

Safety is never guaranteed.

Raise your hand if you've died do to a teleport failure (yourself or TO), the ultimate "get out of jail free" card.

Imagine having fire immunity, walking up to a fire monster, and fall through a trap door.

So, nothing wrong with immunities -- there's always something else that can kill you here.

[tangar]

in multiplayer variants I've suggested this idea (considering vulnerabilities):

https://github.com/draconisPW/PWMAngband/issues/86

now it works:
- resistance makes you neutral (100% damage VS 30% without vuln)
- double resist to be resistant (so you will receive 30% of damage VS 10% without vuln)
- immunity to get immune (0% of damage - the same as without vuln)

batter to change to:
- resistance makes you better protected (you receive 60% damage VS 30% without vuln)
- double resist to be resistant (so you will receive 30% damage VS 10% without vuln)
- immunity to get almost immune (10% of damage vs 0% without vuln)

I suppose it could be relevant in V too.

[Monkey Face]

To my mind, the main advantage of immunity is the protection against item destruction. When you're playing a pure caster it's nice not to have to lug around extra copies of the town books when you have fire immunity (although that is less of an issue now that it is only 2 or 3 different books rather than 4).

[invisibletroll]

It's just a false hope, always has been.

Safety is never guaranteed.

Raise your hand if you've died do to a teleport failure (yourself or TO), the ultimate "get out of jail free" card.

Imagine having fire immunity, walking up to a fire monster, and fall through a trap door.

So, nothing wrong with immunities -- there's always something else that can kill you here.

These are about balances in game mechanics. We disagree about them.

[mrfy]

To my mind, the main advantage of immunity is the protection against item destruction. When you're playing a pure caster it's nice not to have to lug around extra copies of the town books when you have fire immunity (although that is less of an issue now that it is only 2 or 3 different books rather than 4).

I totally agree. Along with cold immunity preventing potions from shattering, electricity preventing rods, wands and staves from electrocuting, and acid from damaging equipment. We need to keep the immunities in vanilla.

[archolewa]

There shouldn't be any immunities. Being safe won't motivate to play well.

If you dont like immunities, play with standarts. Immunities are much rarer then. I often dont see any immunities at all, and very rarey more than one, and even more rarely on an item powerful enough to be worth using for long. With standarts, immunities are an exciting treat, but are almost never game changers.

[Pete Mack]

@archolewa--
Largely true, though Thorin, Nenya, Narya, and the various midlevel weapons are fairly common. Using two at once is quite rare, though, and a number of them are useful primarily as a swap item.