question about disarming

[calvinasleep]

I'm a little confused with disarm skill - I have 100% for both physical and magical disarm but I still set off traps like blindness traps. Most noticeably when shift-direction running.

Does running not try to disarm? Or is 100% not actually 100%?

[Estie]

You mean, you stand adjacent to a trap and shift-direction into it ? I am fairly sure that doesnt attempt to disarm. Just directioning into traps should disarm, the chance for success being the indicated percentage.

[calvinasleep]

You mean, you stand adjacent to a trap and shift-direction into it ? I am fairly sure that doesnt attempt to disarm. Just directioning into traps should disarm, the chance for success being the indicated percentage.

if i'm a few spaces away and have already seen the trap and shift-direction, sometimes it disarms and sometimes it just goes off (with 100% disarm on both types of traps)

[calvinasleep]

hm maybe i'm just doing something silly, i see my character stop in front of traps normally...

[PowerWyrm]

You're probably "walking" into the trap instead of moving normally.

[calvinasleep]

You're probably "walking" into the trap instead of moving normally.

how do you decide which you're doing? does shift-direction just run?

i just shift-direction-ed into a gas trap. there are actually times i want to set off a summoning trap but i could never figure out how.

[PowerWyrm]

You "walk" into a trap by pressing "W".

[PowerWyrm]

hm maybe i'm just doing something silly, i see my character stop in front of traps normally...

If you try to run when 2+ squares from a trap, it'll stop in front of it. If you try to run when adjacent to a trap, it'll trigger the trap without checking for disarm (same if you press W). If you try to walk when adjacent to a trap, it'll attempt to disarm it.

[calvinasleep]

If you try to run when 2+ squares from a trap, it'll stop in front of it. If you try to run when adjacent to a trap, it'll trigger the trap without checking for disarm (same if you press W). If you try to walk when adjacent to a trap, it'll attempt to disarm it.

that's what i thought expected behavior was. but i've definitely run and just stepped into a trap when not adjacent. will test a bit...

[Pete Mack]

'-' (jump) will force you to step into a trap.

[calvinasleep]

so i've been playing a bunch more and definitely see that shift-direction sometimes just triggers a trap when its already seen and have 100% disarm. I can't figure out exactly when/why it happens, but definitely seen it a few times just tonight (knife trap, gas trap)

[PowerWyrm]

Post a screenshot when this happens, so we can see the layout of the dungeon around the trap/@.

[luneya]

so i've been playing a bunch more and definitely see that shift-direction sometimes just triggers a trap when its already seen and have 100% disarm. I can't figure out exactly when/why it happens, but definitely seen it a few times just tonight (knife trap, gas trap)

Is it the case that you're standing right next to the trap and then pressing shift-direction towards it, or rather that you run towards the trap from farther away and still trigger it? The latter case is a huge bug, as running should always stop short of the trap. In the former case, I guess the game is interpreting your shift-direction as a "walk into the trap" command, given that it's not possible to run in the situation. Whether this behavior is intended or a bug, I can't say. (I never use shift-direction at all; I prefer to issue the run command with ".", which is more convenient than shift because it's right there on the numeric keypad along with the direction keys.) But the solution is simple: don't press shift-direction when next to a trap. Whether your intent is to disarm or simply walk past the trap (through an adjacent space), it's better to just use the normal directional function. Don't try running until you have clear space to run through.

[calvinasleep]

Is it the case that you're standing right next to the trap and then pressing shift-direction towards it, or rather that you run towards the trap from farther away and still trigger it? The latter case is a huge bug, as running should always stop short of the trap. In the former case, I guess the game is interpreting your shift-direction as a "walk into the trap" command, given that it's not possible to run in the situation. Whether this behavior is intended or a bug, I can't say. (I never use shift-direction at all; I prefer to issue the run command with ".", which is more convenient than shift because it's right there on the numeric keypad along with the direction keys.) But the solution is simple: don't press shift-direction when next to a trap. Whether your intent is to disarm or simply walk past the trap (through an adjacent space), it's better to just use the normal directional function. Don't try running until you have clear space to run through.

its the latter case from further away. typically occurs when the trap is in a corridor. will try to screenshot the next time it happens. i don't recall it ever failing when immediately adjacent, whether shift-direction or just direction

[luneya]

its the latter case from further away. typically occurs when the trap is in a corridor. will try to screenshot the next time it happens. i don't recall it ever failing when immediately adjacent, whether shift-direction or just direction

How's your perception score? The only scenario I can think of that matches this is that if you don't know that the trap is there, and so you blunder into it without attempting to disarm.