Rings

[CivBesch]

What is it exactly with rings?

1. Not even the black market seems to be interested in my 2 beautiful unidentified marble rings (tried)

2. interestingly the black market is interested in buying my ring of accuracy, but not my ring of the mouse, which I am both wearing.

3. By the way I am stuck with a whole series of {??} and {tried} stuff in home, but am not able to identify it. No scrolls, potions, staves or wand of identification in the stores.

[Sky]

the ring of the mouse is worth less than 0 gold, so no shop will buy it.
if you are lucky enough to find a ring of the mouse with a lot of +DEX, and very little -dmg, say, (0,-6) [+4] then they might buy it for a few gold.

you will find scrolls of identify in the dungeon, and if you are a mage, rogue, priest, paladin or ranger, you can cast the identify spell. if you are a warrior, no.

every item's enchantment is made up of one or more magical runes. once you identify that rune, you will always recognize it. So, once you wear your ring of the mouse, you automatically learn the rune of Dexterity, which means if you find a ring of Dexterity, you will immediately recognize it.

ID as it is now is a snowball effect. Shortly you will recognize all the runes.

As for staves, potions, scrolls, etc, you need to use each one once. Again, if you learn one of these, you will recognize all the next ones you find.

[kandrc]

the ring of the mouse is worth less than 0 gold, so no shop will buy it.
if you are lucky enough to find a ring of the mouse with a lot of +DEX, and very little -dmg, say, (0,-6) [+4] then they might buy it for a few gold.

A ring of the mouse with high +dex and low -dam can actually increase damage for melee characters. I've used them many times. Difference is that you only keep them until you find a ring of dex or dam that's better.

For pure casters, we keep them until we find rings of speed, rings of power, or (if stealth is already high) maybe rings of escaping. The fact that characters (pure casters, especially) will double-fist rings of the mouse down to speed ring depth shows that stealth is severely undervalued in the shops. Stealth should cost nearly as much as speed; given it's exponential benefit (speed benefit grown sub-linearly), maybe it should cost even more than speed.

[Sky]

Yes but once you decide to attack a mob, stealth stop having any value.

[kandrc]

Yes but once you decide to attack a mob, stealth stop having any value.

Entirely false. Stealth continues to apply for all sleeping monsters.

[Sky]

Except that one monster bonking you on the head.

[Derakon]

The ability to kill a monster while other nearby monsters remain asleep does have value.

[CivBesch]

As for the moment I am trying to kill every monster on every level, this has actually been very useful to me, being able to kill 1 or more creatures in one go, rather than getting a whole horde on my back at once.

[Pete Mack]

{tried} rings should always be sellable in the magic shop (or black market.) I don't know why you're unable to sell it.

[Sky]

Derakon: yes. But nowhere near Speed value.

Pete: it has a value of below 0. The store thinks its cursed (as curses were previously).
If he finds a Mouse with enough gold value because of the +Dex, and not so much gold value penalty because of the -dmg, then he can sell it.

[CivBesch]

I have actually 2 rings of the Mouse:
- (+0,-6) <+3>
- (+0,-11) <+3,+1>

non are accepted in the stores. I just took them out 'home' to make room and into the dungeon where I will drop them if I find better things

[Pete Mack]

The first one is actually worthwhile. +3 DEX, STL is helpful, and -6 damage may actually not reduce your damage after adding in an extra blow or two.

[PowerWyrm]

1. Not even the black market seems to be interested in my 2 beautiful unidentified marble rings (tried)

Trying to figure out which rings that could be. Did you learn anything about the rings? Rings of the Dog would identify the stealth penalty once worn, but not the pFear, so shop price would be negative and they wouldn't sell until you find something able to scare you. Or it could be Open Wounds. Anyway, everything wearable is now sold at a price reflecting what you actually know about the item. So you're better if you can learn the positive attributes from mix blessing items first, and then the negative ones.

[CivBesch]

O, if they are 'rings of the Mouse', isn't that their identification?

Do they still need to be identified?

[luneya]

O, if they are 'rings of the Mouse', isn't that their identification?

Do they still need to be identified?

Items like those mouse rings don't auto-id until you know all their runes, but are easily recognizable with only some of their runes known. But IIRC, simply trying one of them on and whacking a townsperson should suffice to learn everything about a mouse ring. It's more of a problem with dog and open wounds, which are both obvious on a cursory inspection but harder to get full identification on. But, on the other hand, those rings are often candidates for immediate squelching (where the lack of full id doesn't matter, as you'll never see them again), whereas people actually use mouse rings.