Lance of extra attacks

[Ingwe Ingweron]

Can't see anything wrong with using the Lance! Just finished a game with a very similar one. Don't think I found more than, let's see, about 50-100 better end game weapon candidates. Didn't find a better Lance though.
http://angband.oook.cz/ladder-show.php?id=21185

Again, you have ignored the ORIGINAL poster's @ class, that being PRIEST, not paladin, as your example was. Paladin's do not have the edged-weapon detriment.

[Thraalbee]

Sorry about that. Couldnt resist posting after my first ever win with just that weapon. But I think people get it that I meant it is far from ideal but even inferior weapons that clearly are "wrong" for you are still feasible if you really want them to

[Pete Mack]

The pointy weapon penalty is not a big deal UNLESS it interferes with the heal300 spell. No other priest spell is really an issue. You can swap it out if there's a high-fail spell you need to cast occasionally. If the heal300 spell is high-fail in the first place, then it still doesn't matter: you aren't going to use it in combat either way. It's only if the fail rate goes from somewhere near zero up to something untenable.

[luneya]

The pointy weapon penalty is not a big deal UNLESS it interferes with the heal300 spell. No other priest spell is really an issue. You can swap it out if there's a high-fail spell you need to cast occasionally. If the heal300 spell is high-fail in the first place, then it still doesn't matter: you aren't going to use it in combat either way. It's only if the fail rate goes from somewhere near zero up to something untenable.

Yeah, but the lance in the original question is most likely to be useful as a weapon during the part of the midgame where a priest typically uses orb as primary offense, and melee as a mere backup. So that'll entail a lot of switching. Hopefully, the player who is actually stuck doing this knows that they can inscribe their weapons with @w0 to enable hotkey swapping (using "x" on the standard keymap), but even with that shortcut, it's not ideal.

[Ingwe Ingweron]

The pointy weapon penalty is not a big deal UNLESS it interferes with the heal300 spell. No other priest spell is really an issue. You can swap it out if there's a high-fail spell you need to cast occasionally. If the heal300 spell is high-fail in the first place, then it still doesn't matter: you aren't going to use it in combat either way. It's only if the fail rate goes from somewhere near zero up to something untenable.

Sure, if you happen to find such a lance near the end-game and you've been unlucky enough to find something better. My point is, the original poster, playing a Human Priest, shouldn't bother lugging around a heavy lance, or even storing it at home, when the priest can't even lift it effectively, let alone use it for a very long time.

[Pete Mack]

I disagree: If you can melee at 3 attacks, you're doing as well as a Paladin (except for the to_hit penalty.) It's much better to melee and use a cheap heal spell (CSW) than it is to use Orb IF you can do significant damage in melee. With one blow, you cannot. With three, you certainly can.

[CivBesch]

Hi,
My Human Priest just decided to sell it for 10.000 (in the store now for 16000). That way a Longbow of accuracy (x3) (+15,+7) could be bought. Just wondering what he should buy with the remaining money. He doesn't want to carry that much around in the dungeon with all those thieves running loose.

Still enjoying very much the shallow depths of the Dungeon at 550ft, being at Level 17. He now has 483.989 Experience!

[Ingwe Ingweron]

Hi,
My Human Priest just decided to sell it for 10.000 (in the store now for 16000). That way a Longbow of accuracy (x3) (+15,+7) could be bought. Just wondering what he should buy with the remaining money. He doesn't want to carry that much around in the dungeon with all those thieves running loose.

Still enjoying very much the shallow depths of the Dungeon at 550ft, being at Level 17. He now has 483.989 Experience!

Ugh... switch to no-selling birth option your next game is the best advice.

[emulord]

I like selling on. It makes the gameplay cycle of "search dungeon for loot and easy monsters -> sell -> buy consumables/upgrades" much more fulfilling.

[Pete Mack]

I agree: ugh. I'd much rather deal with a little less gold than endlessly be lugging stuff up to town. The game runs so much smoother when you can stay in the dungeon until you actually need to go home to restock on supplies. I'll sometimes go 25 levels with no recalls. That never happened with selling enabled.

[Estie]

Nevertheless, I miss some aspects of selling.

My favourite solution is what tome4 did:

Items you pick up stay in a temporary inventory, weightless, taking up no inventory space. If you want to use anything from there, you have to take it out and it gets added to your inventory as usual. On every level change, the temporary inventory gets deleted and your money increases by the sell value of the deleted items.

[CivBesch]

I like that idea about a weightlees extra inventory

Here’s another:
Extra space at home

[PowerWyrm]

Nevertheless, I miss some aspects of selling.

My favourite solution is what tome4 did:

Items you pick up stay in a temporary inventory, weightless, taking up no inventory space. If you want to use anything from there, you have to take it out and it gets added to your inventory as usual. On every level change, the temporary inventory gets deleted and your money increases by the sell value of the deleted items.

The problem with the Tome4 system is that anything worth 1 will sell for 0.01 and cost 100 to buy, meaning you will never ever have the money to buy anything useful from shops, except the garbage you find 1000x in the dungeons. Moreover, there isn't any supplies in Tome4 anymore, so you don't even have to use your money to restock on scrolls and potions. Better have the current Angband squelch system and just ignore all the garbage you find.

[Estie]

The problem with the Tome4 system is that anything worth 1 will sell for 0.01 and cost 100 to buy, meaning you will never ever have the money to buy anything useful from shops, except the garbage you find 1000x in the dungeons. Moreover, there isn't any supplies in Tome4 anymore, so you don't even have to use your money to restock on scrolls and potions. Better have the current Angband squelch system and just ignore all the garbage you find.

The pricing has to be adjusted of course, but I dont see why that would be hard. Autopickup and auto-move to temporary inventry acts very similar to squelching.

You need to know the sell value of all the junk on an average level an opinion on how often @ can afford a potion of augmentation by reaching level 50 and fix the prices accordingly.

The main benefit would be that finding an extraordinary item which happens to be useless to the class still has some value, which is not the case now in vanilla.

I dont know know if it is worth the effort to go there; probably not. But if there was a birth option for this way of selling, I would pick it.

[kandrc]

Extra space at home

People ask for this one frequently. Given the importance of inventory management and that the home is essentially an intermittently accessible extended inventory, it would have huge implications on the game.

I could get behind an "infinite home" cheat option. I could see how that might be helpful to new players without being too harmful in the "teaching bad habits" department.