There are superb treasures here!

[PowerWyrm]

Nothing on the level... except another bloody potion mimic

[Estie]

Press "K" and check again - my guess is its a squelched spellbook.

[Ingwe Ingweron]

And at what dungeon level? I'm not even sure, but are "mimic" potions or scrolls considered as the mimicked item when treasure feeling is calculated? I could see how they could be to prevent a source of information leakage. If so, a false, say potion of experience, could register as superb at a shallow enough depth.

[PowerWyrm]

And at what dungeon level? I'm not even sure, but are "mimic" potions or scrolls considered as the mimicked item when treasure feeling is calculated? I could see how they could be to prevent a source of information leakage. If so, a false, say potion of experience, could register as superb at a shallow enough depth.

Exactly. Unidentified potion around 1000ft, probably potion of experience, counting as far as the level feeling goes. Enough to make it superb.

[Timo Pietilä]

...but are "mimic" potions or scrolls considered as the mimicked item when treasure feeling is calculated? I could see how they could be to prevent a source of information leakage. If so, a false, say potion of experience, could register as superb at a shallow enough depth.

This is why I suggested that mimics should be changed to use unknown flavors. Unknown is interesting without affecting level feeling.

[Ingwe Ingweron]

This is why I suggested that mimics should be changed to use unknown flavors. Unknown is interesting without affecting level feeling.

That could be an information leak of another sort, once @ knows all the flavors. Excluding mimics from the level feeling treasure calculation entirely would make sense to me, they should have been included in the monster danger feeling already. However, that is also a sort of information leak. You see a Potion of Experience on DL 12, but the treasure feeling is "scraps of junk". Ah, that must be a mimic.... I'm not sure which information leak is preferable.

[Derakon]

In my opinion, mimics should be treated identically to all other items up until the player makes some kind of physical interaction with the mimic, at which point they should be revealed. Level feelings are not physical interactions, ergo mimics should be included in them.

[Ingwe Ingweron]

In my opinion, mimics should be treated identically to all other items up until the player makes some kind of physical interaction with the mimic, at which point they should be revealed. Level feelings are not physical interactions, ergo mimics should be included in them.

And, if the tenuous justification for the treasure level feeling is based on what @ sees around him, then I have to agree with you. The @ would see the mimic as an item and include it in the calculation of how good the treasures are.

[Timo Pietilä]

That could be an information leak of another sort, once @ knows all the flavors.

That would require that you know the amount of flavors. Which is another related thing that bugs me, you have that info in squelch menu. It removes part of the wonder factor when you know that there isn't anything new to find in this or that item type.

[PowerWyrm]

Exactly. Unidentified potion around 1000ft, probably potion of experience, counting as far as the level feeling goes. Enough to make it superb.

Always fun to get a superb feeling at 1700', clear the whole level without finding anything, and in the last room you explore there's Wrath of God lying around... and you play a mage.

[Thraalbee]

Always fun to get a superb feeling at 1700', clear the whole level without finding anything, and in the last room you explore there's Wrath of God lying around... and you play a mage.

Or finding, twice, Kelek's in the first 30 min of a game in the current horribly difficult comp

[bio_hazard]

In my current game, my first "9" level, around 1600' maybe, had a smallish vault containing *BOTH* Godly Insights and Ethereal Openings. Playing hobbit mage... There was some other reasonably good stuff including an amulet of trickery and some elvenkind gear. I didn't even have base-4 covered when I walked in, so those were definitely nice upgrades.