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  • Ingwe Ingweron
    Veteran
    • Jan 2009
    • 2129

    Are meteors on fire?

    Playing the new 4.0.3, 40th level mage just fired a meteor swarm at an Elder Vampire. The meteors caused virtually no damage, whilst a regular fire ball causes noticeable damage to the bloodsucker. Given the "V" is vulnerable to fire, I thought the meteor swarm would cause significant damage. Alas, this was not the case. So, are meteors on fire? Or was @ just throwing big rocks? Is this a bug?
    “We're more of the love, blood, and rhetoric school. Well, we can do you blood and love without the rhetoric, and we can do you blood and rhetoric without the love, and we can do you all three concurrent or consecutive. But we can't give you love and rhetoric without the blood. Blood is compulsory. They're all blood, you see.”
    ― Tom Stoppard, Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead
  • Derakon
    Prophet
    • Dec 2009
    • 9022

    #2
    "Meteor" is in fact an entirely different element. I don't recall exactly how monster resists for it work, but in practice I wouldn't expect many enemies to resist or be vulnerable to it.

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    • Ingwe Ingweron
      Veteran
      • Jan 2009
      • 2129

      #3
      Originally posted by Derakon
      "Meteor" is in fact an entirely different element. I don't recall exactly how monster resists for it work, but in practice I wouldn't expect many enemies to resist or be vulnerable to it.
      So yeah, basically they are just big rocks then. They aren't meteor's, they're meteorites! That sucks. All this time I've thought they were also fiery. You'd think they should be causing fire damage in addition to whatever else they are.
      “We're more of the love, blood, and rhetoric school. Well, we can do you blood and love without the rhetoric, and we can do you blood and rhetoric without the love, and we can do you all three concurrent or consecutive. But we can't give you love and rhetoric without the blood. Blood is compulsory. They're all blood, you see.”
      ― Tom Stoppard, Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead

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      • yyt16384
        Scout
        • Jan 2015
        • 38

        #4
        It is strange that meteors don't cause fire damage to monsters but they do burn items.

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        • Bogatyr
          Knight
          • Feb 2014
          • 525

          #5
          Originally posted by Derakon
          "Meteor" is in fact an entirely different element. I don't recall exactly how monster resists for it work, but in practice I wouldn't expect many enemies to resist or be vulnerable to it.
          Meteor swarm causes unresistable damage.

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          • Ingwe Ingweron
            Veteran
            • Jan 2009
            • 2129

            #6
            Originally posted by yyt16384
            It is strange that meteors don't cause fire damage to monsters but they do burn items.
            In my opinion, they should also burn monsters vulnerable to fire. I don't think I'll ever bother casting the spell again now that I know they don't. So many other spells with a better damage/mana ratio. The only time I ever wanted to use it was against a target of opportunity, i.e., a monster vulnerable to fire.
            “We're more of the love, blood, and rhetoric school. Well, we can do you blood and love without the rhetoric, and we can do you blood and rhetoric without the love, and we can do you all three concurrent or consecutive. But we can't give you love and rhetoric without the blood. Blood is compulsory. They're all blood, you see.”
            ― Tom Stoppard, Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead

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            • Derakon
              Prophet
              • Dec 2009
              • 9022

              #7
              Meteor swarm is one of your best attack spells in Raal's; if I recall correctly it's basically tied with Rift. Or at least, it is once you get three projectiles with it. When you only get two meteors it's a bit subpar.

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              • bio_hazard
                Knight
                • Dec 2008
                • 649

                #8
                And sometimes you don't want the teleporting side effect of Rift.

                Maybe make the Meteor animation brown instead of red to avoid confusion?

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                • debo
                  Veteran
                  • Oct 2011
                  • 2402

                  #9
                  Saying that this spell is useless because it isn't fire elemental is a bit weird. How many monsters are actually vulnerable to anything?? And how many monsters resist fire? (I'm pretty sure the latter group is like "1 billion monsters")
                  Glaurung, Father of the Dragons says, 'You cannot avoid the ballyhack.'

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                  • debo
                    Veteran
                    • Oct 2011
                    • 2402

                    #10
                    We should add a lunarian and antipaladin pair of uniques in Angband who can cast W-meteor-swarm when they're simultaneously in LOS of you.
                    Glaurung, Father of the Dragons says, 'You cannot avoid the ballyhack.'

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                    • yyt16384
                      Scout
                      • Jan 2015
                      • 38

                      #11
                      Meteor swarm is not very useful when you first get the fail rate down. It's less mana efficient than previous bolt spells, so it is only useful against monsters that resist base elements.

                      Later in the game when you need to kill things more quickly it is the main attack spell for mages. Rift is less mana efficient against a single monster. Rend soul is only useful against non-evil monsters. And chaos strike is only useful against uniques because of the polymorph effect.

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                      • Zikke
                        Veteran
                        • Jun 2008
                        • 1069

                        #12
                        According to hubblesite.org:

                        A meteor is the flash of light that we see in the night sky when a small chunk of interplanetary debris burns up as it passes through our atmosphere. "Meteor" refers to the flash of light caused by the debris, not the debris itself.

                        The debris is called a meteoroid.

                        If any part of a meteoroid survives the fall through the atmosphere and lands on Earth, it is called a meteorite.


                        "Meteor" does imply fire; I can understand why this would be confusing for some people. A meteorite swarm, though, could also imply fire because they would only be swarming if they were currently in the process of hitting the ground and that would indicate they were on fire from entering the atmosphere.

                        WWTD?

                        (What would Tolkien do?)
                        A(3.1.0b) CWS "Fyren_V" NEW L:50 DL:127 A++ R+++ Sp+ w:The Great Axe of Eonwe
                        A/FA W H- D c-- !f PV+++ s? d P++ M+
                        C- S+ I- !So B ac++ GHB? SQ? !RQ V F:

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                        • Timo Pietilä
                          Prophet
                          • Apr 2007
                          • 4096

                          #13
                          Originally posted by debo
                          Saying that this spell is useless because it isn't fire elemental is a bit weird. How many monsters are actually vulnerable to anything?? And how many monsters resist fire? (I'm pretty sure the latter group is like "1 billion monsters")
                          Almost all undeads have fire resistance hole
                          Almost all demons and animals have cold resistance hole.
                          Almost everything has hole to electricity
                          Even more have hole to acid.

                          Vulnerabilities are not that common though. Hydras, reptiles, snakes, most jellies and nagas are hurt by cold, vampires, zombies and molds by fire. Individual species might make exception, like fire and death mold and movable jellies. Also fire elementals and vortices are hurt by cold and cold elementals and vortices by fire.

                          There are a lot of monsters that get hurt by light. I didn't even realize that before doing monster.txt browsing. Too bad that game doesn't have decent light-based weapon (spell or light-brand. Elven blades should have light brand against orcs IMO).

                          Brands are very useful against non-unique monsters. Uniques have tendency to resist more than general population. If you have double-branded weapon it gets that against almost anything, because things that resist one usually don't resist other. There are very few monsters that resist both cold and fire for example. Almost all of them uniques.

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                          • Zikke
                            Veteran
                            • Jun 2008
                            • 1069

                            #14
                            You'd think the priest books would have a light-based spell to balance out the orb of draining (which in my head has always seemed black?).

                            Holy bolt
                            Holy blast
                            Holy aura (PBAOE)
                            Light To The Face (<----- winner)
                            A(3.1.0b) CWS "Fyren_V" NEW L:50 DL:127 A++ R+++ Sp+ w:The Great Axe of Eonwe
                            A/FA W H- D c-- !f PV+++ s? d P++ M+
                            C- S+ I- !So B ac++ GHB? SQ? !RQ V F:

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                            • Carnivean
                              Knight
                              • Sep 2013
                              • 527

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Zikke
                              You'd think the priest books would have a light-based spell to balance out the orb of draining (which in my head has always seemed black?).

                              Holy bolt
                              Holy blast
                              Holy aura (PBAOE)
                              Light To The Face (<----- winner)
                              OOD being black makes it a necromancer spell in my mind, though it fits with the name. Draining makes it seem like it's draining life. I think of OOD as your Holy Blast spell.

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