Noob - gear question

[Czurin]

Hi,
i am almost new here...
here is my question: to wear or not to wear a whip of Gothmog

dump: http://angband.oook.cz/ladder-show.php?id=17643

I have some difficulties with monsters constantly disenchanting my gear. It is anoying and probably dangerous, but i dont have how to resist it yet.

This is my deepest dive so far and I am afraid to do another step...

[AnonymousHero]

Hi,
i am almost new here...
here is my question: to wear or not to wear a whip of Gothmog

dump: http://angband.oook.cz/ladder-show.php?id=17643

I have some difficulties with monsters constantly disenchanting my gear. It is anoying and probably dangerous, but i dont have how to resist it yet.

This is my deepest dive so far and I am afraid to do another step...

I'm not sure what the Whip has to do with Disenchanting monsters. AFAICT it doesn't protect from that...?

Generally, wrt. disenchanting monsters: Avoid melee. AFAIK there's nothing that disenchants at a distance. So: Find a bow/x-bow and use arrows... or just teleport them away (wand, and I believe rogue's get the spell in a book too?).

[Czurin]

I'm not sure what the Whip has to do with Disenchanting monsters. AFAICT it doesn't protect from that...?

Thank you for quick answer.
My bad this is two part question. You answerd the second part. I am usualy trying to do it the way you suggest. But i do not know what monster does what yet... And smehow monsters like this are often acompanied by lot of others.

[MattB]

AFAIK there's nothing that disenchants at a distance.

Do disenchantment breaths not disenchant? (e.g. chaos drakes, great wyrms of chaos etc.)
If not, I've been unneccessarily wary of them all this time.

[Monkey Face]

I would recommend against Gothmog. As a rogue, one of your greatest assets is your superb stealth. Gothmog aggregates monsters which means your stealth is meaningless.

I could be wrong, but I think when something breathes disenchantment there is a chance your gear can be disenchanted. Most, if not all, artifacts tend to resist disenchantment so they won't be affected as easily. And obviously things like disenchantment eyes and molds that don't move should be attacked from a distance.

[Czurin]

...Gothmog aggregates monsters which means your stealth is meaningless...
... And obviously things like disenchantment eyes and molds that don't move should be attacked from a distance...

This is what I need to know, thanks.
I saw damage and then a lot of damage... it is "The whip!" you know... Nevermind, I will not to use it. It will be probably the best to destroy it.

And yes, molds, jelys, eyes and shroom patches monsters are best fried with fireball or from behind and distance. I know it now and it hurt just a little.

[AnonymousHero]

Do disenchantment breaths not disenchant? (e.g. chaos drakes, great wyrms of chaos etc.)
If not, I've been unneccessarily wary of them all this time.

You're right, dagnammit. My bad. In my defense they are quite rare... :?

[Derakon]

Disenchantment breath will try to disenchant a single random piece of equipment. It's a very rare breath weapon, though, especially compared to the number of enemies that hit to disenchant.

Artifacts have a 2/3rds chance of resisting being disenchanted, even if you don't have disenchantment resistance.

I strongly recommend that new players turn on the cheat for full monster memory. There are monsters out there that can kill you in one turn, or render you helpless in one turn that then leads to you dying, and learning about each one the hard way is no way to play in this day and age. If you're strongly opposed to "cheating", then get a Rod of Probing and use it on unknown monsters to learn most of their abilities.

[Thraalbee]

Disenchantment breath will try to disenchant a single random piece of equipment. It's a very rare breath weapon, though, especially compared to the number of enemies that hit to disenchant.

Artifacts have a 2/3rds chance of resisting being disenchanted, even if you don't have disenchantment resistance.

I strongly recommend that new players turn on the cheat for full monster memory. There are monsters out there that can kill you in one turn, or render you helpless in one turn that then leads to you dying, and learning about each one the hard way is no way to play in this day and age. If you're strongly opposed to "cheating", then get a Rod of Probing and use it on unknown monsters to learn most of their abilities.

maybe we should include rod of probing in warrior start kit to help noobs?

[Czurin]

maybe we should include rod of probing in warrior start kit to help noobs?

I think it is not nescessary. I found first probe rod around DL 50 and I am ok with it. Untill this time I did not encounter so nasty beasts. I did not need to cry for help into the empty darknes of Angband keep until DL 80, but now here I am

What does it mean if in spoilers have monster in description: " It may breathe chaos (73) or disenchantment (73)"

Is it like probability 73 of 100?

I usual do not use spoilers but in this case i did and i do not fully understand.

[Timo Pietilä]

What does it mean if in spoilers have monster in description: " It may breathe chaos (73) or disenchantment (73)"

Damage. 73 points of damage.

Chaos Drake I guess. That would fit nicely to that damage.

[Czurin]

Damage. 73 points of damage.

Chaos Drake I guess. That would fit nicely to that damage.

Yes. It is chaos drake. Thanks.
Drakes and dragons is possible to lure in to the trap 1 on 1. But hounds run arround and bark, they are pure chaos... and if you show the nose out of your safe spot, numerous breath balls is comming. I am afraid of hounds...

[Timo Pietilä]

I am afraid of hounds...

You are correct to be. They are no:1 reason for deaths for just about everyone. (if you don't count Grip and Fang).

[Czurin]

...Grip and Fang...

These doggies are poor confused beasts. And their master is shroom loon, who needs other help than dagger to the back. This episode of my adventures is very sad.

Hounds starting to be dangerous later. I take first 30 deep levels as a tutorial.

Now my fear is preventing me from another step. I am stealing your time and expirences instead of treasures from the deep, sorry.

[Czurin]

I found new spellbook... it solves a lot of my problems with disenchat... The book is called "Tensers's transmutations."
The spels in the book are enchantments to weapons and armors. These spells have much higher probability to enchant artefacts, than scrolls.
If I will succes to cast spell, I will succes to echant item, no matter if it is an artefact or something else.
Good. I am going to die much happier now...