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  • Angrist
    Adept
    • Jul 2014
    • 104

    Character birth problems

    For 15 minutes looking at the screen of birth. And I can not select a combo.
    WARRIOR - no magic, too dependent on the equipment.
    PALADIN - too boring, BASH & HEAL. Ranger - too tedious to constantly take care of arrows for archery, collecting them after shooting.
    PRIEST - do not have the means to inflict good damage on single target; I was not able to kill Morgoth, playing as a priest.
    ROGUE - only stealth and detect objects. Worse fight-skill.
    MAGE - I played a lot of games as a mage, mage is very slow.
    And how do you determine the combo?
  • Derakon
    Prophet
    • Dec 2009
    • 9022

    #2
    Originally posted by Angrist
    For 15 minutes looking at the screen of birth. And I can not select a combo.
    Instead of focusing on what a character can't do, focus on what they can. Every class has strengths and weaknesses; otherwise they'd all play the same way.

    WARRIOR - no magic, too dependent on the equipment.
    Has amazing durability, the best melee in the game bar none, and the second-best archery. Good equipment is generally available. And it's amazing cathartic to just smash your face through every obstacle in your path, especially if you've been playing the dinkier classes lately.
    PALADIN - too boring, BASH & HEAL.
    Well that's just, like, your opinion, man.

    Ranger - too tedious to constantly take care of arrows for archery, collecting them after shooting.
    Don't kill everything with archery; save it for the bigger targets and use melee against chaff.
    PRIEST - do not have the means to inflict good damage on single target; I was not able to kill Morgoth, playing as a priest.
    You can kill Morgoth with Orb of Draining if it comes to it. It just takes awhile.
    ROGUE - only stealth and detect objects. Worse fight-skill.
    Third-best melee in the range (a surprisingly close second behind paladins). Decent archery skill. Stealth means they're unlikely to get swarmed and can pick their fights.
    MAGE - I played a lot of games as a mage, mage is very slow.
    No denying this. Since you appear to be stuck in a rut, play a different class!
    And how do you determine the combo?
    If you mean the race/class combination, generally I either pick a race that augments the class's strengths (e.g. a sturdy race for a melee-oriented class, or a smart/wise race for a caster class), or one that absolutely clearly does not (e.g. Half-Troll mages or Gnome warriors).

    As a consequence, the "balanced" races that don't have particular strengths rarely get played, but oh well. There's plenty of others to choose from.

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    • Angrist
      Adept
      • Jul 2014
      • 104

      #3
      Priest is my choice. Because he has advanced spellcasting. Created dwarf priest with 18/50 Wisdom.

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      • AnonymousHero
        Veteran
        • Jun 2007
        • 1393

        #4
        Originally posted by Angrist
        For 15 minutes looking at the screen of birth. And I can not select a combo.
        WARRIOR - no magic, too dependent on the equipment.
        PALADIN - too boring, BASH & HEAL. Ranger - too tedious to constantly take care of arrows for archery, collecting them after shooting.
        PRIEST - do not have the means to inflict good damage on single target; I was not able to kill Morgoth, playing as a priest.
        ROGUE - only stealth and detect objects. Worse fight-skill.
        MAGE - I played a lot of games as a mage, mage is very slow.
        And how do you determine the combo?
        Something you could try is to play a variant -- poschengband is very different with oodles of classes/monsters you can play. FAAngband is somewhat more true to Vanilla, but there are quite a few variations on the standard races/classes with "specializations" which can add a little spice. (etc.)

        After a little bit of that it be quite refreshing to come back to Vanlila (once in a while, at least) just for the simplicity of it all!

        Just a suggestion, GLHF!

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        • Tibarius
          Swordsman
          • Jun 2011
          • 429

          #5
          race/class suggestion

          I can offer a Suggestion to Play ... orc-ranger.

          I am trying my Hands at this Combo today with quite some fun. Play it as melee ranger (the idea behind is something i call battlemage). A warrior type beafed up with Magic.

          If you place 12 Points in str and 8 Points in dex you come to 18/20 str and 18 dex. This gives the ranger 2.0 blows per turn with weapons of a weight <= 4.0lbs. Right from the start. Boy that was a lot of fun, after usually playing mages.

          The ranger gets detect stairs& traps, and detect Monsters early on. That allows diving, as well as arraning your fights most of the time. At around Level 20-25 he can use the spells from the 2nd book as well. Spear of light, teleport, cure poison, disarm traps. And a Little while later satisfy hunger and Stone to mud.

          Haste and Teleport other and identify start out with 50% failure rate. Never reached a Point of being able to use them repeatedly until now.
          Blondes are more fun!

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          • Angrist
            Adept
            • Jul 2014
            • 104

            #6
            I probably will try HT Ranger

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            • PowerWyrm
              Prophet
              • Apr 2008
              • 2986

              #7
              Originally posted by Angrist
              I probably will try HT Ranger
              SImply pick HT and roll the class randomly, you cannot go wrong
              PWMAngband variant maintainer - check https://github.com/draconisPW/PWMAngband (or http://www.mangband.org/forum/viewforum.php?f=9) to learn more about this new variant!

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              • Angrist
                Adept
                • Jul 2014
                • 104

                #8
                Is HT easy mode, as well as High-elf?

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                • quarague
                  Swordsman
                  • Jun 2012
                  • 261

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Angrist
                  Is HT easy mode, as well as High-elf?
                  HT are easy mode until around clevel 25 or so, for any class. Afterwards it depends more on the particular class/race combo and the items you find.

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                  • Derakon
                    Prophet
                    • Dec 2009
                    • 9022

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Angrist
                    Is HT easy mode, as well as High-elf?
                    Half-Trolls are easier than High-Elves; they have massively better HP and innate regeneration, which are both huge advantages. High-Elves are merely decent at practically everything, and their innate SI mostly just makes the early game less irritating. Plus they level so slowly.

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                    • Angrist
                      Adept
                      • Jul 2014
                      • 104

                      #11
                      And Human is hard-mode?

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                      • fph
                        Veteran
                        • Apr 2009
                        • 1030

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Angrist
                        And Human is hard-mode?
                        As a human, I confirm.
                        --
                        Dive fast, die young, leave a high-CHA corpse.

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                        • Bogatyr
                          Knight
                          • Feb 2014
                          • 525

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Angrist
                          And Human is hard-mode?
                          I won with a human mage not long ago, and now I'm playing my first human warrior, and it's really refreshing how fast he levels. Got some nice early finds (ESP on Cloak of the Magi - Yes! Yes! YES!) and artifact daggers (Angrist! YES!) = TONS of damage. SI and FA covered. Orc uniques all a piece of cake. clev 34 and dlev 40 in just a few sessions. Fast leveling with warrior (and decent detection from ESP) means fast diving means fast stat gain….everything's fast with this combo (and a bit of luck).

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                          • Angrist
                            Adept
                            • Jul 2014
                            • 104

                            #14
                            But for example Hobbit has bonuses to shooting, stealth, CON, DEX, INT; life sustain and a small 10% XP penalty.

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                            • Derakon
                              Prophet
                              • Dec 2009
                              • 9022

                              #15
                              Yeah, humans are not great. They're probably better than elves and half-elves, who both have bad health and not much to make up for it, but for any class there's still plenty of other races that are significantly better.

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