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  • Carnivean
    Knight
    • Sep 2013
    • 527

    Rings of Power

    Why are there only the 3 rings of power in V? 7 for the dwarves and 9 for the Nazgul were also made. Apparently 3 of the dwarven rings were consumed by dragon fire.

    I think it'd be a nice treat for taking down a Ringwraith if you got a ring of power for it.
  • Timo Pietilä
    Prophet
    • Apr 2007
    • 4096

    #2
    Originally posted by Carnivean
    Why are there only the 3 rings of power in V?
    There are four.

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    • Carnivean
      Knight
      • Sep 2013
      • 527

      #3
      I assume that you're counting the One Ring, but that's a separately forged ring to the 3, 7 and 9, so I didn't count it. (puts on ring of post-hoc justification)

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      • PowerWyrm
        Prophet
        • Apr 2008
        • 2987

        #4
        Originally posted by Carnivean
        Why are there only the 3 rings of power in V? 7 for the dwarves and 9 for the Nazgul were also made. Apparently 3 of the dwarven rings were consumed by dragon fire.

        I think it'd be a nice treat for taking down a Ringwraith if you got a ring of power for it.
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        • Rydel
          Apprentice
          • Jul 2008
          • 89

          #5
          There the One Ring and the Three Elven rings. Were any of the Dwarven of Human rings ever named? That could be part of it.

          Also, the Elven rings were the only ones that didn't corrupt the wearer.
          I'm trying to think of an analogy, and the best I can come up with is Angband is like fishing for sharks, and Sil is like hunting a bear with a pocket knife and a pair of chopsticks. It's not great. -Nick

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          • half
            Knight
            • Jan 2009
            • 910

            #6
            Originally posted by Carnivean
            Why are there only the 3 rings of power in V? 7 for the dwarves and 9 for the Nazgul were also made. Apparently 3 of the dwarven rings were consumed by dragon fire.
            This is a great idea. It is surprising to me that it hadn't already happened given the large amount of non-canon artifacts.

            One could always make names (like Sil did for the Balrogs), or look to old MERP sources (I think this is where Angband got the Ringwraith names). Come to think of it, naming the 9 after their bearers is reasonable.

            You don't need to worry about 3 dwarf rings being melted if you don't want as there is no canonical time setting for the game (or if there is one, it is before the rings were forged anyway...).

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            • Derakon
              Prophet
              • Dec 2009
              • 9022

              #7
              ToME2 has the Ringwraiths generate random artifact rings each time you kill them. They're all cursed, and usually pretty awful.

              The ring slots are incredibly heavily oversubscribed already; how much room is there to add additional useful stuff for them?

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              • Carnivean
                Knight
                • Sep 2013
                • 527

                #8
                Originally posted by Rydel
                There the One Ring and the Three Elven rings. Were any of the Dwarven of Human rings ever named? That could be part of it.

                Also, the Elven rings were the only ones that didn't corrupt the wearer.
                The Dwarven ones corrupted the dwarves they were given to, but the corruption didn't make them susceptible to Sauron, but rather to their base instincts. They got greedy and that lead to their ruination. Apparently Sauron took those he could back, including torturing Thrain for his.

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                • Carnivean
                  Knight
                  • Sep 2013
                  • 527

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Derakon
                  ToME2 has the Ringwraiths generate random artifact rings each time you kill them. They're all cursed, and usually pretty awful.

                  The ring slots are incredibly heavily oversubscribed already; how much room is there to add additional useful stuff for them?
                  I get that. What you don't really have though is high powered mixed blessing rings.

                  Clearly the rings have benefits to them. The Nazgul are all powerful sorcerors and have lived far beyond their mortal span. Clearly the rings also have a rather large downside to them.

                  Perhaps they could have large positives, like im_fire/cold/elec/acid and telepathy or regen, but balanced by large negatives, like -speed. In addition they'd be cursed so that if you chose to wear them for the positives, you'd need to be certain that you really wanted them.

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                  • Timo Pietilä
                    Prophet
                    • Apr 2007
                    • 4096

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Carnivean
                    The Nazgul are all powerful sorcerors and have lived far beyond their mortal span.
                    Are they? Only one I remember using any magic in any of the Tolkien writings is the Witch King. Also "living" is quite questionable. More like existing under rings control.

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                    • Carnivean
                      Knight
                      • Sep 2013
                      • 527

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Timo Pietilä
                      Are they? Only one I remember using any magic in any of the Tolkien writings is the Witch King. Also "living" is quite questionable. More like existing under rings control.
                      Living might not be the best term. Their sorcery might be linked to Sauron's power. I read this from a wiki page, so I'm not confident of any of it.

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                      • PowerWyrm
                        Prophet
                        • Apr 2008
                        • 2987

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Carnivean
                        The Nazgul are all powerful sorcerors and have lived far beyond their mortal span.
                        Not in Tolkien's world, just in Angband. Nazguls were just human kings corrupted by Sauron when they got their ring of power, which turned them into spectres.

                        In PWMAngband, you get a random artifact ring when killing a Nazgul, just like TomE. But they are quite good, their only drawback is having the aggravate flag.
                        PWMAngband variant maintainer - check https://github.com/draconisPW/PWMAngband (or http://www.mangband.org/forum/viewforum.php?f=9) to learn more about this new variant!

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