Need help around D:40

**Raajaton** · July 7, 2014, 23:04

I'd recommend posting your character up on the ladder, and then copy/pasting the output from the ladder inside [CODE] tags (can click on the # on the toolbar above the reply). Having it formatted this way makes it a helluva lot easier to read.

**Rikter** · July 7, 2014, 23:20

Made those changes wasn't entirely sure how to go about posting a log in the first place.

**Malak Darkhunter** · July 7, 2014, 23:32

I would avoid those types of hounds, escpecially gravity hounds until you get some speed and find a big damage weapon. i just won recently with a half-troll warrior and DL40-70 was pretty tough until I started building my end-game kit. At your point I was concentrating on stat gain and finding speed items, speed becomes really important where you are now. Best thing to do if you absolutley have to engage them is to retreat or lure them into a corridor where you can hide around a bend and only face them 1 at a time. It's best to avoid gravity hounds in general even when you become strong they are a real pain. You are at the point of the game where you have to be selective about what you engage...angband is partly about knowing what to fight and win to fight.

**Raajaton** · July 7, 2014, 23:45

You're actually in pretty good shape for your depth right now. As far as those hounds are concerned, they are definitely to be avoided. You're also missing Nexus resist, so Nexus hounds are definitely to be avoided as well. A bad stat swap, in your case wis getting swapped with dex, is just about as bad as an insta death. You shouldn't have to worry too much about poison breathers yet, but it might be possible for some OOD stuff like Drolems or Ancient Green Dragons to pop up. Those will 1 shot you currently with your hp pool and lack of poison resist. Make sure to avoid those.

Right now your biggest concern is finding stat potions and artifacts. Obviously you want to max your strength, dex, and con as quick as you can. I usually find this section of the game to be the most difficult, particularly for warriors. Early game you can more or less walk through everything, and late game you tend to have enough gear to where you can walk through everything. Mid game for warriors, you're going to encounter a lot of things that are too dangerous to fight. Make sure you make good use of detection. With any luck you'll find a Rod of Detection soon. If not, make sure you stock up on Detect Evil staves and pay close attention to your surroundings. Around this time of the game, turning a corner blind could potentially lead to an insta death if you're not careful.

**Mark** · July 7, 2014, 23:50

I had my first winner recently, and I found D40 -> D60 is the death zone. If you can survive that, D60 - D98 is more or less 'more of the same'.

My recommendations: (very much conventional wisdom so nothing new here, really just echoing other posters in this and other threads)

Avoid those hounds you mentioned - and anything else that scares you. Do not try to kill them.
Avoid taking on anything out of depth where you don't know about it's attack
Prize these things (i.e. get if you possible can, wear if you have, spend money on to acquire if possible)

double resistances for base elements
poison resistance (this isn't simply 'just another resistance', it's generally acknowledged as *the* most necessary resistance after the base four)
nether resistance
Ability to probe monsters (if you don't have full monster knowledge) (this unlocks full monster knowledge for each probed monster)
Detection (telepathy ideally, but generally more = better)
Some good Escapes (scrolls of teleport, etc)
Don't forget to use ranged weapons - esp with Phase Door to soften up uniques
Be very cautious of vaults without the ability to Teleport Other - especially if there are uniques or monsters you don't have knowledge of

**Rikter** · July 8, 2014, 00:08

Should I keep going down to try and find these resists or should I just hang around D:40 and hope? I've wanted poison resistance for quite awhile but no luck.

EDIT: Just found Telepathy on a Metal Cap on D:41 so that's one less problem. Also is shards more applicable or Disenchant resist I assume shards

EDIT 2: By Double Resists do you mean temporary and normal resists or two things with resistance to an element?

**Mark** · July 8, 2014, 01:15

Originally posted by Rikter

EDIT: Just found Telepathy on a Metal Cap on D:41 so that's one less problem. Also is shards more applicable or Disenchant resist I assume shards

Well, now you have telepathy, you are in a far superior place to avoid the monsters you don't have the necessary resistances to (reliably) survive.

Drolems are your most likely killer currently, as it breathes poison gas for over 700 HP, and will not show up in telepathy as it's a constructed dragon (mindless). Other creatures that are not green or obviously 'poisony' are also dangerous for the same reason - multihued dragons, aether hounds, etc.

EDIT 2: By Double Resists do you mean temporary and normal resists or two things with resistance to an element?

The former - a temporary and permanent resistance. Hard for non-casters to get, for fire at the least, worth the inventory space I suspect (not played a warrior).

Having two pieces of gear that give the same resistance is of no benefit.

Should I keep going down to try and find these resists or should I just hang around D:40 and hope? I've wanted poison resistance for quite awhile but no luck.

Make sure you are identifying and (I)nspecting every piece of armour of Elvenkind - the random resist/ability maybe rPoison.

I'd suggest going down, but more slowly and cautiously than you would otherwise. I'd be more reluctant to go into vaults; and I'd be quicker to use an escape or listen to the voice of caution when you don't feel comfortable in a level.

Knowledge is your friend in Angband - if you know what is about you, and what it can do, then you can make the right call - and so adventure safely even if you don't have all the gear you'd like to feel safe.

**Raajaton** · July 8, 2014, 01:18

You're not at the point where poison resist is super crucial yet, assuming you're careful. You'll definitely need it by the time you get down to about dlvl 60 or so. I'd keep going down, but cautiously.

Disenchant resist generally only comes into play when fighting uniques. Many of the more melee oriented uniques that you come across at that point will hit to disenchant. I usually don't worry about having it built into my normal kit, but I'll generally carry something around as a swap that has it.

The only "double resist" in Angband is normal resist + temporary resist. Unlike some of the other variants, resists from your gear don't stack - you either have it or you don't. Having the same resist on multiple pieces of gear does nothing for you. That being said, there are some uniques that can breathe elemental damage for 1600 unresisted, so even with resist that's a crap ton of damage. Fortunately nothing that breathes for that much should show up for you for quite some time yet. There are however Scatha and Itangast which could show up in vaults pretty soon who can breathe cold and fire respectively for roughly 700 or so unresisted.

**Rikter** · July 8, 2014, 01:19

I found a Ring of Resist Poison so I assume I just wear it and proceed cautiously hoping to eventually replace it with something less awkward?

**Raajaton** · July 8, 2014, 01:34

With no way of detecting drolems, it's probably a good idea to where it all the time. IIRC they'll start showing up occasionally if not now then very soon, and they will 1 shot you atm with no poison resist. If you find a rod of detection, I would probably just keep it around as a swap, so long as you detect often enough.

**Mark** · July 8, 2014, 02:13

Originally posted by Rikter

I found a Ring of Resist Poison so I assume I just wear it and proceed cautiously hoping to eventually replace it with something less awkward?

That's what I would do; certainly I feel it is likely to profit you more than +stat, even tho what you have is presumably very helpful for blows/round.

**Rikter** · July 8, 2014, 02:23

The plus stats is what gets me to 4 blows per round but my damage doesn't fall that much with poison resist which I've started using. Also should I use Chaos resist or shards resist?

**Timo Pietilä** · July 8, 2014, 05:21

Originally posted by Mark

Prize these things (i.e. get if you possible can, wear if you have, spend money on to acquire if possible)
double resistances for base elements
poison resistance (this isn't simply 'just another resistance', it's generally acknowledged as *the* most necessary resistance after the base four)
nether resistance
Ability to probe monsters (if you don't have full monster knowledge) (this unlocks full monster knowledge for each probed monster)
Detection (telepathy ideally, but generally more = better)
Some good Escapes (scrolls of teleport, etc)

Nether is luxury resist. You don't need it, but if you can get it without sacrificing other things then use it.

High resistances in general are there to block side-effects more than damage. For example nexus resist prevents you to get teleported around/level or stat scrambling, chaos prevents hallusination, xp drain and confusion from chaos, dark and light prevents blindness from light & dark respectively and so on. All that nether does is prevent XP loss from nether, and that is not dangerous side-effect. Damage reduction is secondary to side-effect prevention. Just get high HP (600+) to survive full-strength breaths.

Poison and basic four are only resists which you want for damage prevention. All of those have so high damage cap that surviving full power breath is difficult if not impossible without resist (fire, cold and elec make up to 1600 points of damage unresisted. Acid gets halved by armor to 800 and poison cap is 800).

For early warrior I would value (after basic4&poison) nexus highest, because stat-scrambling for low saving throw char is too likely and can really ruin your char. Also unwanted relocation in dungeon can be deadly. For warrior where you fight your fights is probably more important than for any other class.

Boots of stability (as swap if not main) are good thing to carry around.

After that it's pretty much your choice what to get. For me disenchantment resist is something I try to fit into equation because it is really annoying to get your artifacts disenchanted even slightly. Not deadly though.

**krazyhades** · July 8, 2014, 06:29

Also worth remembering that in Vanilla, Scrolls and Potions have 0% failure rate (although you can't read scrolls while blind or without light), and Staves can be used while blinded or confused but have a fail %, but you may know this.

Need help around D:40

Need help around D:40

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