Hobbits and Sustain Experience

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  • YanishXII
    Rookie
    • Feb 2014
    • 1

    Hobbits and Sustain Experience

    Hello,

    I used to play Angband back in the 90's, as a Gnome or Troll, and I've just recently picked it back up. It's been a while.

    Recently, I've been playing a Hobbit mage. My reason for choosing the Hobbit is for the increased saving throw and the sustain experience.

    I've noticed that my hobbit does lose experience sometimes, especially against more power monsters. Are hobbits not immune to loss of experience, just less susceptible to it? Is this tied to saving throw?

    Thanks.
  • fizzix
    Prophet
    • Aug 2009
    • 3025

    #2
    Originally posted by YanishXII
    Hello,

    I used to play Angband back in the 90's, as a Gnome or Troll, and I've just recently picked it back up. It's been a while.

    Recently, I've been playing a Hobbit mage. My reason for choosing the Hobbit is for the increased saving throw and the sustain experience.

    I've noticed that my hobbit does lose experience sometimes, especially against more power monsters. Are hobbits not immune to loss of experience, just less susceptible to it? Is this tied to saving throw?

    Thanks.
    It's not blanket immunity. You do get a save though, and even if you fail the drain is only 1/10 what it otherwise would be.

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    • debo
      Veteran
      • Oct 2011
      • 2402

      #3
      Is there any reason that hold life => 1/10 drain thing is a thing? I think literally every new person who has ever played Angband (myself included) was confused by it the first time.
      Glaurung, Father of the Dragons says, 'You cannot avoid the ballyhack.'

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      • fizzix
        Prophet
        • Aug 2009
        • 3025

        #4
        Originally posted by debo
        Is there any reason that hold life => 1/10 drain thing is a thing? I think literally every new person who has ever played Angband (myself included) was confused by it the first time.
        legacy, I'm guessing. I wouldn't mind changing it.

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        • debo
          Veteran
          • Oct 2011
          • 2402

          #5
          Originally posted by fizzix
          legacy, I'm guessing. I wouldn't mind changing it.
          Does that sound like a fizzixband change?
          Glaurung, Father of the Dragons says, 'You cannot avoid the ballyhack.'

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          • fizzix
            Prophet
            • Aug 2009
            • 3025

            #6
            Originally posted by debo
            Does that sound like a fizzixband change?
            I'll look into it. I dunno how much time I have. I still need to remove the stuff for the comp (maybe tonight).

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            • Estie
              Veteran
              • Apr 2008
              • 2343

              #7
              Just a guess, but the reason might be to not give complete immunity to the One Ring´s drainig (for "historical" reasons).

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              • Derakon
                Prophet
                • Dec 2009
                • 9022

                #8
                That's a different mechanism, code-wise. But yeah, even hobbits aren't immune to Sauron and the Ringwraiths; Frodo very nearly died and the injury he got ached every anniversary of the fight on Weathertop.

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                • Timo Pietilä
                  Prophet
                  • Apr 2007
                  • 4096

                  #9
                  Originally posted by debo
                  Is there any reason that hold life => 1/10 drain thing is a thing? I think literally every new person who has ever played Angband (myself included) was confused by it the first time.
                  Any suggestion how to change that? It's working just right IMO, it's just not clear how it works to newbies.

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                  • Patashu
                    Knight
                    • Jan 2008
                    • 528

                    #10
                    Just add a message. "You resist the foo!" Nethack style.
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                    • Timo Pietilä
                      Prophet
                      • Apr 2007
                      • 4096

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Patashu
                      Just add a message. "You resist the foo!" Nethack style.
                      It doesn't already? That's something that should be fixed, and is probably really easy to do.

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                      • debo
                        Veteran
                        • Oct 2011
                        • 2402

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Timo Pietilä
                        Any suggestion how to change that? It's working just right IMO, it's just not clear how it works to newbies.
                        Well, I would just remove it. Since it sounds like there's some legacy/flavor reason for it to be in there, then I imagine a message would be fine. Maybe change "You feel your life draining away!" to something different.

                        (You feel your life... dribbling... away...?)
                        Glaurung, Father of the Dragons says, 'You cannot avoid the ballyhack.'

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                        • PowerWyrm
                          Prophet
                          • Apr 2008
                          • 2986

                          #13
                          Originally posted by debo
                          Well, I would just remove it. Since it sounds like there's some legacy/flavor reason for it to be in there, then I imagine a message would be fine. Maybe change "You feel your life draining away!" to something different.

                          (You feel your life... dribbling... away...?)
                          It's already the case: when having Hold Life, the message changes from "You feel your life draining away" to "You feel your life slipping away".
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                          • Timo Pietilä
                            Prophet
                            • Apr 2007
                            • 4096

                            #14
                            Originally posted by PowerWyrm
                            It's already the case: when having Hold Life, the message changes from "You feel your life draining away" to "You feel your life slipping away".
                            I think it would be clearer if it were

                            "You feel your life draining away. You resist the effect somewhat."

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                            • debo
                              Veteran
                              • Oct 2011
                              • 2402

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Timo Pietilä
                              I think it would be clearer if it were

                              "You feel your life draining away. You resist the effect somewhat."
                              Yes that's way better imo
                              Glaurung, Father of the Dragons says, 'You cannot avoid the ballyhack.'

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