Challenging Race Class Combos

[Bombadil]

I'm about to start a new character and I'm looking for something difficult. Anyone got a suggestion?

[Derakon]

Humans, elves, and half-elves are pretty weak compared to other races. Mages, priests, and rangers have comparatively weak starts.

Half-orc mages would probably also be pretty terrible -- almost as stupid as half-trolls, and they don't have regeneration to give them nigh-bottomless SP wells.

[Timo Pietilä]

Humans, elves, and half-elves are pretty weak compared to other races. Mages, priests, and rangers have comparatively weak starts.

Half-orc mages would probably also be pretty terrible -- almost as stupid as half-trolls, and they don't have regeneration to give them nigh-bottomless SP wells.

Humans get levels *fast*. Because of importance of CON I would say elves and half-elves are the worst races for anything. Elves have penalty to STR and hit die too which makes them an ultimate challenge race. Combine that penalty with mage low hit-die and penalties to STR and CON you have real challenge combo: elf mage. Good luck getting CON high while still able to carry more than your clothes and spellbooks.

[emulord]

I actually like half orc mages for ironman. Res. Dark gives 1/2 blindness resist, high hit dice and Str allow them to survive pretty well.

Hobbit Priest I'd say is the worst race/class. Awful melee+no offensive spells+low hit dice.

[Timo Pietilä]

I actually like half orc mages for ironman. Res. Dark gives 1/2 blindness resist, high hit dice and Str allow them to survive pretty well.

Hobbit Priest I'd say is the worst race/class. Awful melee+no offensive spells+low hit dice.

But hobbits have WIS and CON bonuses which is further boosted by priest WIS and CON bonuses, and OoD is very effective low-cost spell thru entire game. You just need to survive to clvl 9 to get it and that point onward it is easy combo. After a while you get dispels and *destruction*. Priest offensive arsenal is not much weaker than mage, only major things missing are haste and banishments, and I think healing spells more than compensate the lack of really damaging offensive spells. Non-evil things are a bit more troublesome to priest than mage, but there are not many of those in the game.

Elf priest would be way worse.

[LostTemplar]

Hobbit mage, play ironman without artifacts, egos and books, have fun.

[Bombadil]

My last character was a human mage, so I am kind of tired of mages.

I think elf priest is the leading candidate so far.

[Elbereth]

If you truly want to root for the underdog play a kobold

[LostTemplar]

Kobolds are super powerfull due to free poison resistance.

[Derakon]

Yeah, honestly kobolds are probably too good. They're net +2 stats (ignoring the pointless -2 CHA modifier), they have innate +3 stealth (only one behind hobbits), and have generally good skills across the board. The d8 hit die isn't fantastic -- you're at -50 max HP on average compared to a d10. But you also get 50-foot infravision (tied with dwarves for best in game), and of course poison resistance is one of the best racial innates in the game.

[Bombadil]

Slartibartfast the elven priest is on his way to victory....

http://angband.oook.cz/ladder-show.php?id=13970&ok

[Timo Pietilä]

Hobbit mage, play ironman without artifacts, egos and books, have fun.

been there, done that