First time Sil winner!

[xorzac]

After kiling God knows how many chars learning the game (manual?????? In game help???? The tutorial in the android version sucks, no offense). I still dont know 100% what will does!

Modeled him off wildkhanie, and my own trial and error. Main adds were whirlwind, flanking, dodging, and master hunter. I did the start stats 3/3/5/3, which I think helped too. I didnt have to spend a ton of xp on a con point. Momentum was nice with a fire scepter as off hand.

#1 on the ladder too! I tried for 9000 turns but couldnt escape fast enough. Got close though!

Morgoth was easy - song of slaying is too good! Massive crits early on. Rapid plus two hand - and getting +high 40's to hit? He needs more evasion!

Not bad though, #1 score with this and SAngband in 3 days. :-)

[xorzac]

Horrors were the worst - had to avoid them mostly. And anything with their own private patch od darkness - true sight didnt work at all. Hardest uniques were the werewolf servant of morgoth and jaws.

One thing interesting is how it seems resists somewhat stack - after I got the conf/fear res under will, plus my armor, it became quite rare.

Game really needs more in game help or a manual for the android version. A steep learning curve and I learned mostly from studying the top ladder chars and trial and error.

Oh, and 6 melee/6 stealth is HARD! But worth it for opportunist.

[wobbly]

Here's the online manual: http://www.amirrorclear.net/flowers/...130-Manual.pdf

Should be able to get it on android if you have a pdf reader?

[debo]

Everything about this post is amazing.

[debo]

Also, Morgoth was buffed somewhat (in a pretty cool way!) in 1.2+. You should try one of the more recent versions sometime.

[bron]

anything with their own private patch od darkness - true sight didnt work at all

True Sight helps you see "invisible" monsters (e.g. Sulrako, cat assassins). The counter for darkness is light. Note that you can e.g. drop a Fenorian lamp on the ground in addition to the light you are wielding to increase the light level - it won't increase the radius of light, but rather the intensity within the lit area. (And also note that this doesn't work with torches or lanterns, only things that shine magically.)

But if you want to improve your speed on the ascent, the trick is to *not* fight most of the things you encounter, but just use Exchange Places and run for the stairs. You can't Exchange with a Grotesque or a Thorn bush, but I think everything else is ok. In particular, you *can* Exchange places with Morgoth (if you haven't killed him already), but you need to be careful to have enough HP to survive him hitting you (possibly twice). If you have enough Miruvor, I'd say don't bother fighting Carcharoth either: just drink a Con potion to buff your HP, a Quickness, open the door, Exchange Places, and run for the exit. You'll probably have to quaff a couple of Miruvor since you'll get hugely poisoned, but you'll save a lot of time. And while killing Carcharoth is satisfying, it doesn't increase your score, while getting out faster does.

[xorzac]

OK, I thought jaws had to die. Will remember that! That easily would have saved 20 turns. Exchange places, didn't think of that one. I did avoid most fights, cat warriors are hard to avoid.

Oh, the throne room, after morgoth I needed more XP to get song of sharpness - that took a lot of turns too!

I'm pretty sure I can get down to 8500 or so now, with some luck. I can't do a later version unless one is available for Android? I have 1.1.1 for sil.

A beefed up morgoth would be nice!

[xorzac]

Manual did help some. Controlled retreat I probably will add to my arsenal - the more free attacks the better. That's what made Xor so deadly. Lots of flanking and whirlwind. CR would help too, though can't do it and flank on same turn. But some enemies good to slug then retreat from.

XorII I will do this weekend and try for under 9k turns! Would be nice if someone else could try too, competition is fun! Like psi and wildkhanie had.

Also, I had suspicion on how critical hits worked, and I was close. I didn't know until morgoth though. I will have a better setup this time!

[xorzac]

Trying a new one. About 200 turns ahead of old pace. Found butcher this time. Bast SW of doriath at 200ft is helping.

[half]

Well done! I don't often have time to check the forums at the moment, but this was a nice surprise. First win, #1 on ladder, and without reading the manual. Wow!

[xorzac]

Well I am a veteran of zangband, and more recently sangband. But Sil took some getting used to. I learned from trial and error and reading and studying the top 4 or 5 on the ladder (learn from the best!).

I'm making an assault on 9k turns, at 650 ft and about 3600 turns, 32k XP. Whirlwind this time I uncursed a bsw of fury, saved some XP. Got two handed already this time, since glamdring was too good not to equip. Arts came later, and different this time. Nice change, though I miss my 2 pairs of greaves and my high prec ring!!

Cat warriors in full force - not too bad with song of este and 16/18 to hit. Going back to 600 for item scumming - it's a good depth I think. Well it and 650.

I'm ahead of my previous pace by several k XP, I don't know how much for sure. More uniques this time, and I didn't dive quite as fast to 400.

Not 1 forge found - not that I need it. No rings of acc or eva either.

Still avoiding horrors - but what really shocked me was 2 silent watchers at 400! Now that's out of depth. Nice xp though!

Biggest problem was private patches of darkness - but this time I found a lesser jewel. Floor trick helps!!

My helmet gives me listen, which is nice. Really need armor and boots.

[xorzac]

Get to 600, and duruin breaks 3 doors to come at me. Pot of ele res (only have poi res), and he goes down quickly. I have rauko bane primarily for the balrogs. Drops fingon! and some free action greaves. Not too shabby! I do have a fa ring, so not a necessity.

What I really need are foes, treasures, and revelations!

[xorzac]

I just did a mini throne room routine, but no songs, and only a pot of quick. Cleaned out 8 cat war, doorkeeper, 4 trolls, 2 gr were, a lesser vamp, and a rauko. And an ame serp.

XorII is sick!!