Bad Ideas Thread

[BlueFish]

http://mikedebo.ca/arl/

If I were to see a pink pony, I think killing it would be a bad idea.

[debo]

If I were to see a pink pony, I think killing it would be a bad idea.

You can't see it yet, but those pink ponies are wielding buster swords.

[BlueFish]

You can't see it yet, but those pink ponies are wielding buster swords.

So is it possible to make progress in that game, or, y'know, win, or something?

[debo]

So is it possible to make progress in that game, or, y'know, win, or something?

No. It's basically supposed to be a roguelike inspired by SaGa 1 using Sil's core mechanics, but I have literally no time to work on it right now. I have the alpha design more or less mapped out though, so "one day"

[MattB]

No. It's basically supposed to be a roguelike inspired by SaGa 1 using Sil's core mechanics, but I have literally no time to work on it right now. I have the alpha design more or less mapped out though, so "one day"

That was fun!
You should call it HorseSlaughter.
Anyone want to buy a buster sword?
I've got loads (some of them are a bit icky coz they're covered in pink pony blood).

[taptap]

You can't see it yet, but those pink ponies are wielding buster swords.

You made me play ponyrl for some hours, they only have spoons there, however.

[locus]

If you're wearing an amulet of adornment and have high grace, you should have a chance of stunning Easterlings with your attractiveness when you come into view.

[ussgordoncaptain]

we should speedrun this game in real time, that sounds fun and really really hard. My goal time is 1:30, I start my timing on the press of the b button at the game creation screen.
Generally SDA rules have 2 main catagories
Any%
and 100%
Any % is any way of beating the game so the following would count I guess for sil
Killing morgoth
Taking (any number of) silmarils out of crown and escaping
100% would be (realistically)
Kill morgoth
Take all silmarils off of his crown (or the crown itself)
Escape
Right now my route for any% is
starting stats
2 STR 5 DEX 4 con 3 gra

put 5 points in melee 6 in archery 4 in evasion and 2 in smithign
Get to the first forge
Take weaponsmithing by going @aga6y esc esc esc
Build bow by pressing 0aebf enter
Build 2 sets of arrows using 0afaf x2
From here get lucky and find arrows on ground
Take flaming arrows (hotkey's @i26 Enter abf6y esc esc esc need 700 EXP
Dive down super fast spamming flaming arrows like a crazy person
Take sprinting Hotkey setup @i22666 enter, (need 3.3k exp)
boost melee/archery (play by feel here)
Take lore keeper and lore master setup @i22226666666 enter ed6y enter f 6y enter esc esc esc (EXP needed 4.3k)
Boost archery/melee/evasion/ Take dexterity from archery (by feel)
If needed take Song of the trees (exp needed 2k)
Take Rakou Bane if needed as well (exp needed 1.5k)
Take poision resistance as well if needed (EXp needed 4.3k)
in general aviod taking Trees/Bane/resistance until the last minute because to many of these REALLY hurts your time
Boost archery/melee/evasion (by feel)
Take song of sharpness (sans song of the trees exp needed 7k with song of trees exp needed 6.5k)
Boost melee/archery/evasion (more feel based stuff)
Take the following skills before entering thrown room
Precision, Rapid shot, Woven themes
Enter thrown room
Become a SUPER NOLDOR (rage + Con gra STR DEX, fast singing slaying and sharpness )
Kill morgoth
hold down on 5 until you die
VICTORY!
Is a stealth build better? Could this route be improved by going melee instead? How about versitility instead of putting points in melee?

[Patashu]

I think any% would just be 41mil points or higher / You brought back a Silmaril from Morgoth's crown!
and 100% would be 141.3mil points or higher / escape with three sils and Morgoth dead. (Although I think a better name for it would be 'any% best ending', because 100% implies something like... 100% uniques killed, or 100% exp acquisition (which is only possible in a TAS, if even that), or 100% score acquisition (also impossible, since you can always have a faster game)
The cool thing is that the way score works, you can't beat someone's score with less completion of the game (in terms of sil acquisition, Morgoth killing and I think also how far up you got on the ascent and stuff like that) so it's very objectively defined.
Also, you can turn off travel delay and animation delay and make the game's level generation faster (with a better computer/SSD?) for slight speedups, though those won't change any aspect of strategy.

[ussgordoncaptain]

Any% best ending does sound like the best for 3 silmarils+escape+morgoth slain 100% would imply all artifacts obtained and all uniques killed.

The big thing to note about options menu modification however is most of the time saving you talk of is really really small, and might not be worth the ESC b22688844444 Esc ESC combination it took me 3.4 seconds to do that entire task, one big problem is that one has to press esc then b then 2, all 3 of these key's are quite far away on the keyboard, and you do this after pressing enter so your right hand is already entering the numpad, then you have to go move the left hand to . for the mashing of .(number) which sil requires you to mash like a crazy person do you save more than 3.4 seconds of time by doing the menu modifications?
Here are some (terrible) attempts at getting a good run in sil any% the big things to note from speedrunning vs casual play are
1. you can't ever press l
2. you have to memorize what every color of o means
3. you have to read quickly
4. you need to be mashing . in order to constantly be running
5. You need to have memorized your build order and have to be FAST in the menu's
6. you can't disable flaming arrow (pressing @abf6 Esc esc is a whole second!)

[Patashu]

Make sure to record all your attempts so if you get a good one it's preserved, please! (You can use Open Broadcasting Software to record locally even if not streaming)
Also, I'm pretty sure turning off animations/delays would save the time it takes to turn them off (assuming you can't just start with them disabled). It's, what, 0.25 of a second every time a number appears? And lots of numbers appear.

BTW, for reference, the fastest real time ascension of Nethack is about 2 hours (a more complicated game) and the fastest real time ascension of DCSS is about 1 hour (a less complicated game), although both of these are from people who have put extensive practice into going fast.

[Nivim]

(Then there are bots made by some of the people who go fast which take 5 minutes or so.
Also thank you for this. Lightened my day.)

[wobbly]

Why take the stairs when you can build an elevator?

Build a horn of blasting. Drop, rest, drop, .....
A horn of terror covers 99% of the gaps in song of elbereth & vis versa ( I think all that your left with is horrors, deathblades & grotesgues), so jeweler/channeling/elbereth on a 5 grace feanor.

Of course there's still the throne room & the elevator only goes 1 way, but I'd be curious how far you could get this way.

[BlueFish]

Nether worms should destroy forges they walk onto.

[Patashu]

Nether worms should destroy forges they walk onto.

Also floors and ceilings, since they're made of the same material as walls.