New Naugrim House!

[BlueFish]

Who can understand the intricacies of Dwarven intrigue and politics? It turns out that House Belegost has been overthrown by House Khazad-Dum! They have the same great strength and low motor skills as the Belegost did, yet they've mastered Smithing as well as their Nogrod brethren! Sadly the great Will of the Belegost has now been lost forever.

Well that's how it happened in my game at least. Your own Naugrim societies may have evolved differently.

(I just wanted to play a 4 strength master smith, and 4 strength isn't feasible with Nogrod. So I mixed and matched Nogrod and Belegost.)

[BlueFish]

This house has made 1.2 much more fun for me. I think a 4 strength master smith dwarf who starts with weaponsmith, armorsmith, and artistry is pretty thematic, but it's not real viable for the standard Belegost house. With this mixture of Belegost and Nogrod, I've been doing pretty well and winning is within reach. It's a fun build IMO.

[T-Mick]

Good to see that you're enjoying your preferred play style. Do make some nice, heavy artifact weapons.

[Patashu]

Did a new version of Sil come out? Or this mpa-Sil exclusive?

[T-Mick]

Can we call it "BlueFishy-Sil"?

[BlueFish]

Did a new version of Sil come out? Or this mpa-Sil exclusive?

I just changed my edit file for Belegost. Renamed them, removed will affinity, added smithing affinity.

[BlueFish]

Finally won last night with one of these guys, 4/0/5/3. Neat thing about the game is that it wasn't based on any lucky finds. In fact the my endgame equipment was all home made other than the Axe of Hurin. Just because I never found better artifacts than what I made.

By far the highest Con I've ever had. 178 unbuffed HPs gives even me a sufficient throne room buffer. But I still couldn't kill V. Maybe fully buffed and with rapid attack, (maybe,) but the prereqs put rapid attack out of reach for me.

I did customize the game once in the middle of it. I'd never realized before that Enchantment was necessary to get Masterpiece. I tend to put enchantment on a hammer though, and I'd taken all the other Smithing abilities. So I just added Artifice as a prereq. I used masterpiece to make a +2 con amulet.

I spent about 15k turns at 950 just seeing what sorts of monsters would come through the stairs. I only ever saw two types - highrauko and purple v's. I thought that was strange. Maybe it had to do with all the danger equipment I was carrying around.

  [Sil 1.2.1 Character Dump]

 Name   Blufie        Age      162       Str   6 =  4  +1      +1
 Sex    Male          Height   4'3       Dex   0
 Race   Naugrim       Weight   174       Con  12 =  5  +6      +1
 House  Khazad-Dum                       Gra   4 =  3          +1

 Game Turn   47,111   Melee (+25,3d12)   Melee       25 = 20      +4  +1
 Exp Pool     5,644   Bows    (+9,2d8)   Archery      9 =  3      +7  -1
 Total Exp   89,144   Armor  [+8,7-23]   Evasion      8 =  9      -1
 Burden       150.6                      Stealth     -5 =  0      -5
 Max Burden   298.4   Health   178:178   Perception  10 =  6  +4
 Depth           0'   Voice      13:41   Will        17 = 12  +4  +1
 Min Depth       0'                      Smithing     8 =  2  +4      +2
 Light Radius     3                      Song        16 = 12  +4

 You are the only child of a Dwarven Smith. You are a credit to the
 family. You have dark brown eyes, straight black hair, a one foot
 beard, and a ruddy complexion.





  [Last Messages]

> You hit the Vampire.
> You have slain the Vampire.
> You hit the Orc champion!
> The Orc champion misses you.
> You hit the Orc champion!!
> You have slain the Orc champion.
> You see a Piece of Dark Bread.
> You charge the Hithrauko!
> You have destroyed the Hithrauko.
> You charge the Vampire!
> You have slain the Vampire.
> You see a Piece of Dark Bread.
> It is hard and bitter.
> You are full!
> You see no more Pieces of Dark Bread.


  [Screenshot]

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  [Equipment]

a) The Battle Axe of Hurin (-3,3d5) <+1> 4.5 lb
   It increases your constitution by 1.  It improves your will
   by 1.  It slays trolls.  It provides resistance to fear.  It
   cannot be harmed by the elements.  It grants you the ability: 
   Song of Slaying.  It does extra damage when wielded with both
   hands.  
b) a Longbow (+0,2d5) 3.0 lb
   It can shoot arrows 20 squares (with your current strength).
c) an Onyx Ring of Accuracy (+3)
d) an Onyx Ring of Accuracy (+3)
e) an Ivory Amulet of Constitution <+2>
   It increases your constitution by 2.  It sustains your 
   constitution.  
f) a Feanorian Lamp of True Sight
   It provides resistance to blindness and hallucination.  It
   grants you the ability to see invisible creatures.  
g) a Mail Corslet of Resilience [-3,2d4] <+1>
   It increases your constitution by 1.  It cannot be harmed by
   the elements.  
h) The Cloak of Blufie (+1) [+1] <+1>
   It increases your constitution by 1.  It provides resistance
   to cold.  It makes you encounter more dangerous creatures
   (even when not worn).  It cannot be harmed by the elements.  
i) The Kite Shield of Frozen Tundra (-1) [+0,1d6] <+1>
   It increases your constitution by 1.  It provides resistance
   to fire.  It makes you encounter more dangerous creatures
   (even when not worn).  It cannot be harmed by the elements.  
j) The Crown of Slaying (+1)
   It cannot be harmed by the elements.  It grants you the
   abilities: Concentration and Master Hunter.  
k) a Set of Mithril Gauntlets of Strength [+0,1d2] <+1>
   It increases your strength by 1.  It cannot be harmed by the
   elements.  
l) a Pair of Mithril Greaves of Free Action [+1,1d2]
   It grants you freedom of movement.  It cannot be harmed by
   the elements.  
m) 99 Arrows
   They can be shot 20 squares (with your current strength and bow).
n) 91 Arrows (+3)
   They can be shot 20 squares (with your current strength and bow).


  [Inventory]

a) 4 Dark Green Herbs of Rage
b) 6 Black Herbs of Sustenance
c) 8 Mottled Herbs of Healing
d) 3 Thorny Herbs of Restoration
e) 6 Clear Potions of Miruvor
f) a Murky Brown Potion of Orcish Liquor
g) 5 Pale Green Potions of Healing
h) 4 Copper Speckled Potions of Slow Poison
i) 9 Yellow Potions of Quickness
j) 5 Emerald Potions of Strength
k) 3 Grey Potions of Dexterity
l) a Golden Potion of Constitution
m) 4 Azure Potions of Grace
n) an Aspen Staff of Warding (5 charges)
o) an Aspen Staff of Warding (3 charges)
p) a Golden Amulet of the Blessed Realm <+1>
   It increases your grace by 1.  It sustains your grace.  It 
   lights the dungeon around you.  
q) a Silmaril
   It sustains your grace.  It grants you the ability to see
   invisible creatures.  It cannot be harmed by the elements.  
r) a Robe of Permanence
   It sustains all your stats.  It cannot be harmed by the
   elements.  
s) The Crown of Dark Secrets <+1>
   It increases your grace by 1.  It makes you encounter more
   dangerous creatures (even when not worn).  It cannot be
   harmed by the elements.  It grants you the ability: 
   Lore-Master.  
t) a Dwarf Mask of Clarity [-2,1d2]
   It provides resistance to fire, confusion, stunning, and 
   hallucination.  
u) The Shortsword of Galadriel (+0,1d8) [+3] 2.0 lb
   It sustains your grace.  It cannot be harmed by the elements.
   It grants you the ability: Riposte.  
v) a Battle Axe of Doriath (-2,3d5) 4.5 lb
   It slays wolves and spiders.  It does extra damage when
   wielded with both hands.  
w) a Mattock of Belegost (-5,5d2) <+3> 11.5 lb
   It improves your tunneling by 3.  It requires both hands to
   wield it properly.  


  [Notes]

Blufie of the Naugrim
Entered Angband on 19 May 2014

   Turn     Depth   Note

    483     50 ft   (Armoursmith)
    483     50 ft   (Artistry)
    623     50 ft   Made a Mail Corslet [-2,2d4]  27.0 lb
    791     50 ft   Made a Kite Shield (-1) [+0,1d7]  8.0 lb
    912     50 ft   Made a Set of Gauntlets [+0,1d2]  3.0 lb
  2,413    200 ft   Encountered Gorgol, the Butcher
  4,607    250 ft   (Leaping)
  5,532    250 ft   (Jeweller)
  5,661    250 ft   Made an Onyx Ring of Accuracy (+2)  0.1 lb
  5,792    250 ft   Made an Onyx Ring of Accuracy (+2)  0.1 lb
  5,884    250 ft   Made a Feanorian Lamp  1.0 lb
  5,955    250 ft   Made a Feanorian Lamp  1.0 lb
  6,733    300 ft   Fell into a chasm
  6,746    400 ft   (Sprinting)
  7,077    400 ft   (Hardiness)
  7,098    400 ft   (Poison Resistance)
  7,337    400 ft   (Power)
  8,299    400 ft   (Keen Senses)
  9,439    450 ft   Encountered Orcobal, Champion of the Orcs
  9,457    450 ft   Slew Orcobal, Champion of the Orcs
 10,017    500 ft   Encountered Ulfang the Black
 10,095    500 ft   Slew Ulfang the Black
 10,229    500 ft   Encountered Gilim, the Giant of Eruman
 10,603    500 ft   Slew Gilim, the Giant of Eruman
 10,631    500 ft   (Charge)
 10,782    500 ft   Fell through a false floor
 11,979    550 ft   Made an Ivory Amulet of Constitution <+1>  0.1 lb
 12,132    550 ft   Made a Bronze Amulet of Grace <+1>  0.1 lb
 13,902    650 ft   Encountered Nan, the Giant
 13,984    650 ft   Slew Nan, the Giant
 14,055    650 ft   Found The Greatsword 'Glend'
 14,065    650 ft   (Rauko-Bane)
 14,544    650 ft   Fell through a false floor
 16,285    750 ft   (Artifice)
 16,285    750 ft   (Grace)
 16,513    750 ft   Made The Crown of Slaying (+1)  3.0 lb
 17,271    750 ft   Made a Topaz Ring of Sustenance  0.1 lb
 17,289    750 ft   Made an Obsidian Amulet of Adornment  0.1 lb
 17,555    800 ft   (Critical Resistance)
 18,599    800 ft   Encountered Oikeroi, Guard of Tevildo
 18,599    800 ft   Encountered Tevildo, Prince of Cats
 18,625    800 ft   Slew Tevildo, Prince of Cats
 18,629    800 ft   Slew Oikeroi, Guard of Tevildo
 19,010    800 ft   Found The Great Helm of Dor-Lomin
 19,027    800 ft   (Momentum)
 19,293    800 ft   Found The Battle Axe of Hurin
 19,541    850 ft   Found The Crown of Dark Secrets
 19,924    850 ft   (Weaponsmith)
 20,116    850 ft   Made The War Hammer of Enchtantment (-2,4d1) <+2>  5.0 
                    lb 
 21,181    900 ft   (Constitution)
 21,536    900 ft   Encountered Draugluin, Sire of Werewolves
 22,343    850 ft   Found The Leather Armour of Caranthir
 22,790    850 ft   Made a Mail Corslet of Resilience [-3,2d4] <+1>  37.5 lb 
 23,026    850 ft   Made a Pair of Mithril Greaves of Free Action [+1,1d2]  
                    5.0 lb 
 23,119    850 ft   Encountered Umuiyan, the Doorkeeper
 23,244    850 ft   Slew Umuiyan, the Doorkeeper
 23,353    850 ft   Made a Feanorian Lamp of Brightness  1.0 lb
 23,902    900 ft   Encountered Ancalagon the Black
 23,905    900 ft   (Crowd Fighting)
 23,905    900 ft   (Heavy Armour Use)
 23,938    900 ft   Slew Ancalagon the Black
 24,367    900 ft   Encountered Vallach, Balrog of Sudden Flame
 24,444    900 ft   Destroyed Vallach, Balrog of Sudden Flame
 24,873    900 ft   Made The Kite Shield of Frozen Tundra (-1) [+0,1d6] <+1> 
                     10.0 lb 
 25,043    900 ft   Encountered Turkano, Balrog of the Hosts
 25,062    900 ft   (Strength)
 25,090    900 ft   Destroyed Turkano, Balrog of the Hosts
 25,657    950 ft   Encountered Smaug the Golden
 25,762    950 ft   Slew Smaug the Golden
 25,999    950 ft   Entered the Chambers of Thu
 26,013    950 ft   Encountered Shelob, Spider of Darkness
 26,282    950 ft   Encountered Gorthaur, Servant of Morgoth
 26,284    950 ft   Encountered Thuringwethil, the Vampire Messenger
 26,308    950 ft   Slew Thuringwethil, the Vampire Messenger
 26,468    950 ft   Slew Gorthaur, Servant of Morgoth
 26,476    950 ft   Slew Draugluin, Sire of Werewolves
 26,480    950 ft   Found The Wolf-Hame of Draugluin
 26,480    950 ft   Found The Set of Gloves of Brethil
 26,587    950 ft   Slew Shelob, Spider of Darkness
 26,699    950 ft   (Song of Aule)
 26,699    950 ft   (Song of Sharpness)
 26,702    950 ft   Found The Bat-Fell of Thuringwethil
 27,524    950 ft   Made an Onyx Ring of Accuracy (+3)  0.1 lb
 27,740    950 ft   Made an Onyx Ring of Accuracy (+3)  0.1 lb
 28,207    950 ft   Encountered Lungorthin, Lord of Balrogs
 28,258    950 ft   Destroyed Lungorthin, Lord of Balrogs
 28,372    950 ft   Made The Cloak of Blufie (+1) [+1] <+1>  2.0 lb
 28,378    950 ft   (Masterpiece)
 28,684    950 ft   Made an Ivory Amulet of Constitution <+2>  0.1 lb
 28,849    950 ft   Found The Longsword 'Orcrist'
 29,717    950 ft   (Woven Themes)
 44,249  1,000 ft   Entered Morgoth's throne room
 44,500  1,000 ft   Encountered Morgoth, Lord of Darkness
 44,512  1,000 ft   Found The Massive Iron Crown of Morgoth
 44,550    950 ft   Cut a Silmaril from Morgoth's crown
 45,883     Gates   Entered The Gates of Angband
 46,654     Gates   (Follow-Through)
 46,654     Gates   (Whirlwind Attack)
 46,807     Gates   Found The Shortsword of Galadriel (from 6500 ft)
 46,931     Gates   Encountered Carcharoth, the Jaws of Thirst
 46,940     Gates   Encountered Maeglin, Betrayer of Gondolin
 46,973     Gates   Slew Maeglin, Betrayer of Gondolin
 47,050     Gates   Slew Carcharoth, the Jaws of Thirst

 47,111     Gates   You escaped the Iron Hells on 21 May 2014.
 47,111     Gates   You brought back a Silmaril from Morgoth's crown!




  ['Score' 041152889]

[BlueFish]

Regarding idling on 950' indefinitely when min depth is 1000, it seems that the deepest monsters capable of using stairs and also dropping items are two 850' monsters - cat assassins and troll guards. I'm not sure how likely 850' monsters are to appear through stairs to 950, but it's not apparently possible if you have enough danger stuff on.

[BlueFish]

Also speaking of prereqs on the smithing ability tree, I'm not sure I see the point.

I think the smithing tree is different from other trees in that a character who plans on dumping a bunch of exp into smithing, will also generally think that every ability on the tree is reasonably useful. And that gets very expensive, which presents the interesting and fun choice of using one of the abilities, artifice, in combination with one of two others, weaponsmith or armoursmith, to create items that give other abilities on the tree - enchant, artistry, jeweler, or masterpiece. Those are all interesting and certainly not overpowered choices, but if you plan on putting enchant on an item, you block yourself from getting Masterpiece without also putting it on an item, or wasting tons of experience. I think it's a shame that the game removes that as a reasonable choice.

Easy enough to change in the edit files, but just a thought.