Calling all self-builders

**Magnate** · September 19, 2011, 20:35

Originally posted by pav

So where's the poll?

Er, this forum software publishes the post before you finish creating the poll ...

**konijn_** · September 19, 2011, 21:23

Originally posted by Magnate

While thinking about a minor bug to do with directory creation, it occurred to me that a poll might usefully inform some more significant decisions about the build system. If you only ever play a pre-packaged Angband (i.e. downloaded from rephial.org or from your distro's repository), don't worry about it.

Grateful for replies from anyone who consistently uses a non-standard build configuration and would like to explain it. While you're here, now's the time to bung in any "I wish the build system would let me specify X" comments too. You never know your luck.

Since you can only pick one answer in this poll, please choose the one that applies most often. Feel free to explain your minority config in the thread.

Greetings,

I use a specific makefile for cygwin, which currently seems not to work.
At a later point I will try Eclipse and mingw as others have advised.

T.

**Magnate** · September 19, 2011, 22:20

Originally posted by konijn_

I use a specific makefile for cygwin, which currently seems not to work.
At a later point I will try Eclipse and mingw as others have advised.

Ah - well I've just installed cygwin, so I will try to patch src/Makefile so that it works. I *think* it might be as simple as

Code:

#ifdef CYGWIN
CFLAGS += -I/usr/include/ncursesw
#endif

But maybe you meant Makefile.win? The problem I'm having with building for Windows is that it can't find wingdi.h, even though it's installed. What is your issue with cygwin?

**redrobert** · September 19, 2011, 22:45

maybe i will tell a problem i had

downloaded newest version of MINGW ... didn't work

fix is easy though, just get an older version of MINGW

**SaThaRiel** · September 19, 2011, 22:50

Well, voted and sure you know my build options

Besides...the vote for pre-packaged version is a bit "useless" here

Maybe this point should be dropped...

**bron** · September 19, 2011, 22:59

I generally prefer not to install angband into the global/system directories since I don't want to clutter them up. It is also a problem if I want to have more than one different version installed simultaneously (say, the game I interrupted in order to play the comp, which wants a different version). So I find it desirable to have a self-contained sub-directory. In fact, this is something of a problem even with --no-install since the game seems to still want to put the savefile into ~/.angband/Angband/save/ and so I can't play two versions simultaneously. Perhaps there is a config option I'm missing to make the game use ./lib/save/ as the place for a savefile?

**Magnate** · September 19, 2011, 23:23

Originally posted by bron

I generally prefer not to install angband into the global/system directories since I don't want to clutter them up. It is also a problem if I want to have more than one different version installed simultaneously (say, the game I interrupted in order to play the comp, which wants a different version). So I find it desirable to have a self-contained sub-directory. In fact, this is something of a problem even with --no-install since the game seems to still want to put the savefile into ~/.angband/Angband/save/ and so I can't play two versions simultaneously. Perhaps there is a config option I'm missing to make the game use ./lib/save/ as the place for a savefile?

No, you have hit on a bug - the --with-private-dirs option is turned on in the code even if it's not configured to be used - this is why the game still uses ~/.angband/Angband/save/ even when you use --with-no-install. I intend to fix this (ticket #1280, now brought forward to 3.4).

@SaThaRiel - the option to say "I play pre-built" is there so that people who do can vote and then see the poll results.

**Timo Pietilä** · September 20, 2011, 02:45

Originally posted by Magnate

While thinking about a minor bug to do with directory creation, it occurred to me that a poll might usefully inform some more significant decisions about the build system. If you only ever play a pre-packaged Angband (i.e. downloaded from rephial.org or from your distro's repository), don't worry about it.

Grateful for replies from anyone who consistently uses a non-standard build configuration and would like to explain it. While you're here, now's the time to bung in any "I wish the build system would let me specify X" comments too. You never know your luck.

Since you can only pick one answer in this poll, please choose the one that applies most often. Feel free to explain your minority config in the thread.

You need to include one option more "none of the above".

I do both, play prebuild versions and compile my own versions using cygwin which, if working properly, doesn't need any of the poll options. I don't use ./configure because I don't need to run anything like that. I don't even know what that does.

**Magnate** · September 20, 2011, 09:41

Originally posted by Timo Pietilä

You need to include one option more "none of the above".

I do both, play prebuild versions and compile my own versions using cygwin which, if working properly, doesn't need any of the poll options. I don't use ./configure because I don't need to run anything like that. I don't even know what that does.

configure is for building on unices (including MacOS) - you are quite right that the poll does not provide an option for people building their own Windows version - sorry.

**Azerath** · September 20, 2011, 11:53

Hi,

I simply build in VS 2010 with custom project definitions - so neither of them - don't care about switches :-)

**Magnate** · September 20, 2011, 12:46

Originally posted by Azerath

Hi,

I simply build in VS 2010 with custom project definitions - so neither of them - don't care about switches :-)

I don't know much about building on Windows - is it possible to change where the lib/ subdirs are installed to? So, for instance, if you want lib/save and lib/user in C:\Documents & Settings\Yourname\ and lib/edit and lib/help in C:\Program Files\Angband\, how do you make that happen? Anyone?

**Azerath** · September 20, 2011, 13:16

On OS friendly data storage:

In post-XP OSes, this has changed as "normally" run applications will not have "access" to program files. Additionally ther is one more complication step with 64 bit versions as program files is divided on 2 part 64 and 32 versions.

Try read this post:

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http://blogs.msdn.com/b/cjacks/archive/2008/02/05/where-should-i-write-program-data-instead-of-program-files.aspx

The question is do you need such information as Angband is not normally installed application? If not, then relying on user's "unzip" action and storing locally in app subdirs would be OK.

On the other hand if you have plan to create "Program Files"-like installation, then above post would be nice start. Additionally you could look at so called "Windows 7 Client Software Logo" http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/dd203105.aspx

I can help you with some Windows stuff if you need help.

**Magnate** · September 20, 2011, 13:23

I was just curious, really. I assume that most Windows users leave the whole thing in the Angband-ver.x.y\ folder where it's unpacked. I was just wondering if anyone bothered doing a multi-user install in Windows - I guess not.

**Azerath** · September 20, 2011, 14:14

No need for such feature as "unzip to desktop" works like you mentioned :>

Additionally having central place for binaries and separate for user data will fail in multiuser environment when one of users would upgrade application.

How it is solved in *NIX OSes? Does binaries are separated from user data? What happend when upgrading binaries to newer version?

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