Can we have the "map remembers torch-lit grids" option back?

[Max Stats]

As of the latest nightly (v3.2.0-552-g52328bb-dirtybash-4.1) the options menu has been significantly pared down, presumably to streamline the code somewhat. The map now remembers every grid you have mapped, which IMHO puts too much useless information on the screen, and reduces the contrast between "lit" and "unlit" grids. I would like to request the return of the option not to remember all grids.

If we don't want to return this option, I would like to discuss whether there is support to make the "chosen" behavior to not remember the "uninteresting" grids.

[Derakon]

Personally I prefer having the map remember all seen grids. Among other things, it helps me track where I've explored and whether or not I've seen every tile in a room.

That said, I sympathize with your plight. I wasn't too happy to see the "display stacks as an ampersand" option forced on.

[tprice]

I personally prefer having it not remember torch lit grids.

It helps me remember where I don't have los due to darkness.

Thomas Price
Aka the bookworm

[Derakon]

You should still be able to tell by the color of the tile; the contrast is merely reduced as Max Stats noted.

[Nomad]

I wasn't too happy to see the "display stacks as an ampersand" option forced on.

Ack. That's going to override the tile sets, unless someone knows a way to assign a tile to take the place of the ampersand. I gather from the pref files that you used to be able to use 'K:0:' for the pile picture, but that doesn't seem to work any more.

[Psi]

You should still be able to tell by the color of the tile; the contrast is merely reduced as Max Stats noted.

However at least with the old tile set (unless something has changed), there is no contrast. Losing these options means that visited squares appear as lit, which means a "lit" corridor is not actually lit and may contain bad guys about to obliterate you...

[takkaria]

However at least with the old tile set (unless something has changed), there is no contrast. Losing these options means that visited squares appear as lit, which means a "lit" corridor is not actually lit and may contain bad guys about to obliterate you...

The old tile set has been updated so that torch/lit/dark grids are coloured differently (thanks to Dawnmist).

[Psi]

The old tile set has been updated so that torch/lit/dark grids are coloured differently (thanks to Dawnmist).

Good news indeed. Thanks for the info.

[Max Stats]

I managed to restore the old behavior after poking around the 3.2 code and seeing how it handled the "remember torch-lit grids" option. I edited function cave_note_spot in cave.c and changed this line:

	/* Memorize this grid */
	c->info[y][x] |= (CAVE_MARK);

to this:

	/* Memorize this grid */
	if (c->feat[y][x] > FEAT_INVIS || (c->info[y][x] & CAVE_GLOW))
		c->info[y][x] |= (CAVE_MARK);

I am OK with doing it for myself if there is not enough interest in changing it for everyone, but I wanted to put the question out there to see if anyone else wanted it. I found it disorienting because corridors looked "lit up" but unseen monsters would cast/throw/fire at you or pop into view to melee you.

[buzzkill]

I'm not familiar with current Vanilla behavior, but there should be (at least) three levels of illumination.

1. illuminated or torch lit
2. explored but not lit or out of line of sight
3. darkness/unexplored

Personally, I'd like to see torchlight have it's own 'color', but that's more for flavor than necessity.

[Max Stats]

1. illuminated or torch lit
2. explored but not lit or out of line of sight
3. darkness/unexplored

My problem is that #2 looks too much like #1. I am used to #2 and #3 looking more or less the same, which was the behavior when "remember torch lit grids" was an option and it was turned off.

Right now, there is one visual for "floor". If there were separate visuals for #1, #2, and #3, that could be used as a workaround and you could customize what each one would look like. I don't know if this makes sense in the way things are coded, tough.

For my part, I have my workaround and if we want to leave things as they are I will still be happy.

[Derakon]

I have no difficulty telling the difference between all three of those; it does require you to recognize how bright a lit square in LOS is though. With "remember torchlit squares" off, 2 and 3 in fact are identical.