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  • debo
    Veteran
    • Oct 2011
    • 2402

    Comp 193

    Hi,

    We'll be playing Minimal 1.0 for comp 193. Please enjoy responsibly.

    GLHF
    Glaurung, Father of the Dragons says, 'You cannot avoid the ballyhack.'
  • Antoine
    Ironband/Quickband Maintainer
    • Nov 2007
    • 1010

    #2
    Originally posted by debo
    Hi,

    We'll be playing Minimal 1.0 for comp 193. Please enjoy responsibly.

    GLHF
    Minimal is an experimental *band, forked off NPP. As explained under Debo's link, it aims to give a simple but difficult playing experience by greatly reducing the number of:
    • levels
    • monster types
    • uniques (and they are Tolkien only)
    • items
    • egos
    • artefacts
    • spells.


    This is a beta release really, I have only played it on Windows, do let me know if you have any problems compiling / running.

    A.
    Ironband - http://angband.oook.cz/ironband/

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    • bron
      Knight
      • May 2008
      • 515

      #3
      I was able to get this to compile on my Linux box with relatively little trouble. I haven't tried to actually play it yet, but I have gotten to the "town" screen with the given savefile.

      What I did:

      Run the autogen.sh command:
      Code:
      sh ./autogen.sh
      In order to do this I had to first do two things:
      1) The 'autogen.sh' script has a space between the '#' and the '!' on the first line. The space needs to be removed.

      2) I had to remove the carriage-return characters i.e. convert the dos standard "carriage-return / linefeed" into the Unix standard "linefeed" (only). Otherwise, the shell kept trying to treat the carriage-return as a command to execute. I do this with
      Code:
           sed 's/\r//'  < infile  > outfile
      but there are a host of other ways.


      Once autogen.sh has been run, run the configure command. I used:
      Code:
      ./configure --with-no-install --disable-x11 --prefix=`pwd`

      We now want to compile it using "make". I used the default Makefile provided, except I had to comment out the line:
      Code:
      LDFLAGS += -lSDL
      Once that was done, I could run "make". It compiled and linked, although it gave some errors after successfully linking.

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      • Antoine
        Ironband/Quickband Maintainer
        • Nov 2007
        • 1010

        #4
        Originally posted by bron
        I was able to get this to compile on my Linux box with relatively little trouble. I haven't tried to actually play it yet, but I have gotten to the "town" screen with the given savefile.

        What I did:

        Run the autogen.sh command:
        Code:
        sh ./autogen.sh
        In order to do this I had to first do two things:
        1) The 'autogen.sh' script has a space between the '#' and the '!' on the first line. The space needs to be removed.

        2) I had to remove the carriage-return characters i.e. convert the dos standard "carriage-return / linefeed" into the Unix standard "linefeed" (only). Otherwise, the shell kept trying to treat the carriage-return as a command to execute. I do this with
        Code:
             sed 's/\r//'  < infile  > outfile
        but there are a host of other ways.


        Once autogen.sh has been run, run the configure command. I used:
        Code:
        ./configure --with-no-install --disable-x11 --prefix=`pwd`

        We now want to compile it using "make". I used the default Makefile provided, except I had to comment out the line:
        Code:
        LDFLAGS += -lSDL
        Once that was done, I could run "make". It compiled and linked, although it gave some errors after successfully linking.
        Hi Bron

        Thanks very much for that!

        nikheizen said he got it compiled "on Ubuntu, using:"
        Code:
        sh autogen.sh
        ./configure --with-no-install
        make
        which sounds like a subset of your changes - easier for him perhaps because he was using a different flavour of *nix?

        Should I make these changes to the distro? or create a separate *nix distro?

        I don't know much about this stuff as you can no doubt tell.

        A.
        Ironband - http://angband.oook.cz/ironband/

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        • debo
          Veteran
          • Oct 2011
          • 2402

          #5
          I also had to change the shebang at the beginning of autogen.sh and dos2unix it on OSX.
          Glaurung, Father of the Dragons says, 'You cannot avoid the ballyhack.'

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          • Antoine
            Ironband/Quickband Maintainer
            • Nov 2007
            • 1010

            #6
            Debo and wobbly are tearing their hair out over stat drain.

            This problem could be fixed by making !Restoration native to shallower depth - or purchasable at the Alchemist.

            One possible fix would be to (a) close the game, (b) go to line 1317 of /lib/edit/object.txt, which should read:

            Code:
            A:20/2:40/4
            and (c) change this to e.g.

            Code:
            A:15/2:40/4
            making !Restoration native to DL 15 instead of DL 20. Or whatever.

            I suggest any comp players who would like to make this change should do so now.

            I'm also planning to make some changes to unique monster rarities but that should probably wait until after the comp.

            A.
            Ironband - http://angband.oook.cz/ironband/

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            • debo
              Veteran
              • Oct 2011
              • 2402

              #7
              Aside from this stat drain stuff, I strongly encourage people to give this comp a go. I didn't think the game would feel that different than Vanilla or Quickband, but it really does, and I think it's pretty fun. (It's also possible some of what I'm experiencing is from not having played NPP much. It had too many Ps for me that I could N ignore.)

              I'm not sure 'minimal' is necessarily the best name for it -- 50 floors and the current monster list is still a big game. Maybe 'Leanband'
              Glaurung, Father of the Dragons says, 'You cannot avoid the ballyhack.'

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              • wobbly
                Prophet
                • May 2012
                • 2629

                #8
                It's got a nice quick pace to it. Aim for a ghoul solution by 600'. I'm going to try collecting & hoarding those ?detect evil next run

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                • Antoine
                  Ironband/Quickband Maintainer
                  • Nov 2007
                  • 1010

                  #9
                  Originally posted by wobbly
                  It's got a nice quick pace to it. Aim for a ghoul solution by 600'. I'm going to try collecting & hoarding those ?detect evil next run
                  I guess homunculus is a problem too

                  And bronze dragon after that

                  A.
                  Ironband - http://angband.oook.cz/ironband/

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                  • debo
                    Veteran
                    • Oct 2011
                    • 2402

                    #10
                    Shelob at speed 15 seems a bit silly for her depth? I routinely meet her at DL5. Wouldn't 10 be enough? At least that way you can quaff !haste and run instead of having the interesting decision of "do I have ?teleport in my pack"

                    Also the "sinister, bitchy" description thing on that new darkelf unique is a little............
                    Glaurung, Father of the Dragons says, 'You cannot avoid the ballyhack.'

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                    • Antoine
                      Ironband/Quickband Maintainer
                      • Nov 2007
                      • 1010

                      #11
                      Originally posted by debo
                      Shelob at speed 20 seems a bit silly for her depth? I routinely meet her at DL5. Wouldn't 10 be enough?
                      Fair call. You could change line 10694 of monster.txt from

                      Code:
                      I:125:20d10:15:25:10
                      to e.g.

                      Code:
                      I:115:20d10:15:25:10
                      I'll rewrite Shelob after the comp.

                      A.
                      Ironband - http://angband.oook.cz/ironband/

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                      • debo
                        Veteran
                        • Oct 2011
                        • 2402

                        #12
                        It's fine for the comp, I was just thinking in general
                        Glaurung, Father of the Dragons says, 'You cannot avoid the ballyhack.'

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                        • Antoine
                          Ironband/Quickband Maintainer
                          • Nov 2007
                          • 1010

                          #13
                          Some more stuff for my to-do list
                          - Give Priests a 'Turn Undead' spell at about CL10, which can banish ghouls and ghosts
                          - Allow a 10% chance of successfully reading a scroll when confused
                          - Make more egos and jewelery drop from about DL 15

                          A.
                          Ironband - http://angband.oook.cz/ironband/

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                          • debo
                            Veteran
                            • Oct 2011
                            • 2402

                            #14
                            Out of curiosity, what was the motivation for forking from NPP instead of Vanilla for this project? NPP seems to have a lot of added mechanics that don't really fall into the "minimal" theme.
                            Glaurung, Father of the Dragons says, 'You cannot avoid the ballyhack.'

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                            • Antoine
                              Ironband/Quickband Maintainer
                              • Nov 2007
                              • 1010

                              #15
                              Originally posted by debo
                              Out of curiosity, what was the motivation for forking from NPP instead of Vanilla for this project? NPP seems to have a lot of added mechanics that don't really fall into the "minimal" theme.
                              Familiarity, really.

                              I turned off a lot of Npp's bells and whistles. I did retain some gameplay features which I think are a large improvement over V (on balance).

                              A.
                              Ironband - http://angband.oook.cz/ironband/

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