Competition 93

[camlost]

Should it be possible for dungeon generation to create completely separate and isolated regions with no staircases or connections to the rest of the dungeon?

One of my Kimbas just teleported into such a region, and when it became clear that I was doomed to starve, I used debug mode to check that I really was cut off.

Probably not. Last teleport?

[camlost]

How do the players feel about upgrading to a newer release, strictly bugfixes from where we left off?

These are the revisions I plan on removing from trunk. 167, 166, 164, 161, 160, 158, 157, 156, 154, 153, 152, 150, 148, 143, 140, 139

The following bugs would be fixed:

• Extra prompt when using character screen or item attributes is removed
• Cycling inventory will cost money
• Trap combat will allow players to learn about objects (if they're looking)
• Permanently lowered skills will display in purple.
• Quest complete message is now green.
• Gauntlets will now brand martial arts as intended.
• Fireproof books stack better
• Game won't crash when activating palantir
• Players can restore skills with XP at power 100
• Targetting with distance-limited attacks will work better
• Burglary talents will display on the skill screen at the correct levels
• Improve skill reduction undo
• History description of unique kills will show name even if you can't see the unique.

[UniqueName]

The dungeon generator makes no guarantee of connectivity, though it almost always manages. I've seen precisely one disconnected area ever in Angband, not counting vaults.

I had one disconnected room so far in S. I don't think it was a vault because it actually had a U-shaped hallway attached to it which was disconnected from the real hallway.

[NotMorgoth]

Probably not. Last teleport?

It was a teleport trap on DL1, so I didn't exactly lose much playing time...

It wasn't just one isolated room, but a fairly large section of 'normal dungeon' with several rooms and corridors.

[camlost]

How do the players feel about upgrading to a newer release, strictly bugfixes from where we left off?

I've gone ahead and published 1.0.1.169, with bugfixes, but no gameplay changes.

http://code.google.com/p/skills-angband/

[Magnate]

I've gone ahead and published 1.0.1.169, with bugfixes, but no gameplay changes.

http://code.google.com/p/skills-angband/

Excellent, thank you - no moral dilemma for me!

[camlost]

Excellent, thank you - no moral dilemma for me!

No problem, I found some paur* gauntlets, and the brand wasn't working And there were enough annoying bugs that were already fixed, it seemed worth it in general.

[Magnate]

No problem, I found some paur* gauntlets, and the brand wasn't working And there were enough annoying bugs that were already fixed, it seemed worth it in general.

Ah, that reminds me - I asked this in one of my dumps but not on the forum: do glove brands affect only martial arts, or weapon melee as well? (Presumably not missiles or thrown weapons!)

[camlost]

Ah, that reminds me - I asked this in one of my dumps but not on the forum: do glove brands affect only martial arts, or weapon melee as well? (Presumably not missiles or thrown weapons!)

Martial arts only. Maybe that's wrong, but it's where it stands right now. They're also only available on Paur*, not yet in randart/forging code. Thrown seems like a compelling option -- imagine gauntlets of returning!

[Magnate]

Martial arts only. Maybe that's wrong, but it's where it stands right now. They're also only available on Paur*, not yet in randart/forging code. Thrown seems like a compelling option -- imagine gauntlets of returning!

Yeah, thrown could use love, and of course I forget that missiles in O-combat variants are not nearly as broken as in V, so maybe ok there too.

Would be lovely to be able to forge them ... but I think the armour forging screens would need some re-working to add slays and brands? Maybe time for a unified infusing screen that works whatever we're forging?

[Bostock]

EDIT: Further reading proved my comment irrelevant.

[camlost]

http://angband.oook.cz/ladder-show.php?id=10734

Winner in 1.17M turns.

Oath of Iron is much better, due to the low HP, if you ask me. That makes me glad I increased low level HP across the board. Dark-elves shouldn't have to turn to the OoI to survive.

[NotMorgoth]

Congratulations on the win (and probably also the competition victory, as it seems unlikely that anyone else will beat your turncount within the timeframe of the competition..)

How did you find throwing in the late game? My experience has always been that it is powerful early on but becomes troublesome towards the end of the game because throwing weapons take up so much inventory/quiver space.

It seems that the forging skill made a big difference as you were able to get a lot of weapons with good damage dice and useful brands/powers like returning and impact that are hard to find in the dungeon.

[Bostock]

I ran a pure-throwing character recently (died to Thuringewil at D:70ish) and by the end, with crits, I was getting hundreds of damage per turn, maybe even an occasional 1K.

We'll see about the competition victory. ;-) Not that I'm guaranteeing anything. At all...

[NotMorgoth]

Heh, yes, in the previous version camlost left in some debug information so you knew exactly how much damage you did with each attack - I miss that in the new version as it really helped me learn about how combat works and which weapons are best...

As far as throwing goes - I have a (still alive) character on about DL70 who uses throwing as one of the main attacks, but does not have the Oath of Iron or weapon forging. I have seen damage of 500+ from one throw followed by less than 10 damage the following turn, so overall I am finding devices a more reliable means of attack.