Ikke made it!

[desstorm]

Ikke (try 14 or 15; most died before statgain) The dwarven priest took me some time to finish. Midgame was a blast of fun. But I didnt like the endgame very much. It felt like a warrior with awful lots of heals and runes. and banish evil.

Tried morgoth @lvl 43 without succes with only orbs. Didn't make it with a stack 19 restore mana potions and about 15 *Heals*. So it didn't feel very 'priestly' to bang his head in the end with a mace of disruption.

It lasted until lvl 49 to find a weapon at last that did some endgame-worthy-damage. I decided to take out all uniques and almost completed that mission when I found The One Ring. Second winner-game in a row to find it *flex*.

http://angband.oook.cz/ladder-show.php?id=17737

time for a new challange. Any recommendations?

== WINNERS ==
Ik - Dunadan Ranger
Ikk - HalfTroll Warrior
Ikke - Dwarven Priest

[Timo Pietilä]

time for a new challange. Any recommendations?

== WINNERS ==
Ik - Dunadan Ranger
Ikk - HalfTroll Warrior
Ikke - Dwarven Priest

Hobbit rogue. Looks like you haven't tried stealthy char yet. Dunadan ranger isn't bad for stealth, but not that great either.

Hobbits also have lower hit die so you need to pick your fights more carefully at early game. CON bonus helps with that, so that pretty soon it doesn't matter that much.

[Derakon]

Hobbit rogue. Looks like you haven't tried stealthy char yet. Dunadan ranger isn't bad for stealth, but not that great either.

Hobbits also have lower hit die so you need to pick your fights more carefully at early game. CON bonus helps with that, so that pretty soon it doesn't matter that much.

I agree with the rogue, but make it a kobold instead of a hobbit; similar frailty, less-good stats.

[Timo Pietilä]

I agree with the rogue, but make it a kobold instead of a hobbit; similar frailty, less-good stats.

What is a kobold and how does it fit into tolkien world? I hated those when they were introduced and I still hate them, mostly because IMO they do not belong to angband.

There are plenty of creatures to choose in place of kobold. Maybe replace kobold with Avari (and high-elves with Vanyar and elves with Teleri...we could have Noldor there somewhere too, but that makes too many elves in general).

[AnonymousHero]

What is a kobold and how does it fit into tolkien world? I hated those when they were introduced and I still hate them, mostly because IMO they do not belong to angband.

There are plenty of creatures to choose in place of kobold. Maybe replace kobold with Avari (and high-elves with Vanyar and elves with Teleri...we could have Noldor there somewhere too, but that makes too many elves in general).

I don't recall Cantoras, The Tarrasque, etc. being in Tolkien's world either, yet there they are. I don't think the Argument From Tolkien works when discussing Angband.

[Ingwe Ingweron]

I don't recall Cantoras, The Tarrasque, etc. being in Tolkien's world either, yet there they are. I don't think the Argument From Tolkien works when discussing Angband.

Not to mention yeeks, Phoenix, Vargo, Vecna, and a large number of other monsters. Besides, kobolds, in my mind are tiny orcs. Even Tolkien was inconsistent. There are no "Orcs" in The Hobbit. There are "Goblins". By the time of writing The Lord of the Rings, all references to "goblins" disappeared and were replaced with "orcs".

[wobbly]

Besides, kobolds, in my mind are tiny orcs.

I'm stuck thinking of them as doglike humanoids from D&D but:

From Wikipedia:

The kobold (occasionally cobold) is a sprite stemming from Germanic mythology and surviving into modern times in German folklore. Although usually invisible, a kobold can materialize in the form of an animal, fire, a human being, and a candle. The most common depictions of kobolds show them as humanlike figures the size of small children. Kobolds who live in human homes wear the clothing of peasants; those who live in mines are hunched and ugly; and kobolds who live on ships smoke pipes and wear sailor clothing.

[desstorm]

IkkeP The Hobbit Rogue

http://angband.oook.cz/ladder-show.php?id=17741

First suggestion wins I'm not overly fond of ugly kobolds either, so a hobbit Rogue.

I except lots of deaths before statgain.

[Timo Pietilä]

I don't recall Cantoras, The Tarrasque, etc. being in Tolkien's world either, yet there they are. I don't think the Argument From Tolkien works when discussing Angband.

All player races are more or less tolkenian, with exception of kobold.

Even half-troll does exist:

"...out of Far Harad black men like half-trolls with white eyes and red tongues."
The Return of the King V 6
The Battle of the Pelennor Fields

http://www.glyphweb.com/arda/h/halftrolls.html

[Carnivean]

All player races are more or less tolkenian, with exception of kobold.

Even half-troll does exist:

"...out of Far Harad black men like half-trolls with white eyes and red tongues."
The Return of the King V 6
The Battle of the Pelennor Fields



http://www.glyphweb.com/arda/h/halftrolls.html

That quote says they are black men, not half-trolls. Like =/= is. The use of the phrase "like half-trolls" is to signify that although they are men, they bear aspects of trolls.

[Timo Pietilä]

That quote says they are black men, not half-trolls. Like =/= is. The use of the phrase "like half-trolls" is to signify that although they are men, they bear aspects of trolls.

Well, there are also troll-men (same folk). IMO half-troll doesn't really exist, not in Tolkien world, but there are people that are like trolls, big and ugly.

Same way hobbits are not actually their own species, they are men, just much smaller and with hairy legs.

I would like to see kobolds replaced with something more tolkenian, maybe Drúedain or something like that. Maybe even pure orc rather than creature that doesn't exist in anywhere else than as player race.

[AnonymousHero]

I would like to see kobolds replaced with something more tolkenian, maybe Drúedain or something like that. Maybe even pure orc rather than creature that doesn't exist in anywhere else than as player race.

According to monster.txt kobolds do exist as a non-player (i.e. monster) race.

[Timo Pietilä]

According to monster.txt kobolds do exist as a non-player (i.e. monster) race.

Ah, yes. They are there. Those k -things. Nevermind then.

[MattB]

There are no "Orcs" in The Hobbit. There are "Goblins". By the time of writing The Lord of the Rings, all references to "goblins" disappeared and were replaced with "orcs".

They grew up in the intervening years. Goblins must be baby orcs - just like starlings are baby pigeons.

[Timo Pietilä]

There are no "Orcs" in The Hobbit. There are "Goblins". By the time of writing The Lord of the Rings, all references to "goblins" disappeared and were replaced with "orcs".

I don't have english version of Hobbit at hand, but IIRC there is some mention about orcs in Hobbit. Also similarly other way around in LoTR, but I don't recall any mention of goblins in Silmarillion.