Obere my High-Elf Mage...

[ehertlein]

So I just came across this and I am not sure how to go about clearing it.

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Any suggestions? Here's a link to my character.

http://angband.oook.cz/ladder-show.php?id=9157

[Zikke]

Those vaults are kinda tricky because, besides a few small 1x1 chambers that are enclosed in granite, the rest of the vault is open in a diagonal pattern, which means if things are awake they can all get to you together.

Based on your gear, you may have trouble actually killing the monsters in there. As a mage, you can pull some out, kill what you can and teleport away and repeat. Also, I don't remember what level Teleport Other becomes available in mage book 4 but if you have that, it's a good way to clear vaults.

Because there are hounds, etc, in that vault, I would avoid fighting inside in case they breathe and break valuable potions, scrolls, etc.

[ehertlein]

Wow stuff got out of hand very quickly. I ended up turning tail and running as I just want to get a winner for once. Beorn and Sangahyado<sp?> really just were too much. Teleport Other is at a 40% fail rate so I just couldn't get stuff away fast enough.

[Zikke]

If you really want a winner, you should run a lot more often, especially as a mage. It'll only get thicker at lower levels. There will plenty of vaults to crack by then.

[LCC]

You did the wise thing IMHO. The stuff in vaults is generally junk until dlvl 60+. I have opened and cleared 8 vaults, including 3 greater vaults. None of them was worth the hassle of dealing with OOD monsters and uniques.

[Zikke]

The number 1 thing that you should be looking for in lower level vaults is the Escapes book, which will make it much easier to survive throughout the game.

[ehertlein]

I will be sure to keep my eyes out. In the meantime I am down at level 30 skulking around. I still feel like I don't deal very much damage. Not sure how to go about improving that.

Updated the dump at http://angband.oook.cz/ladder-show.php?id=9157

[ehertlein]

Is a Rod of Probing worth keeping? I found one on my last dive and I am not totally sure if its worth the slot.

Also is there a place I can find the fail rates for activating a rod? I also found a Rod of Teleport Other and I'd like to know if its more reliable then the spell.

[Pete Mack]

Is a Rod of Probing worth keeping? I found one on my last dive and I am not totally sure if its worth the slot.

No.

Also is there a place I can find the fail rates for activating a rod? I also found a Rod of Teleport Other and I'd like to know if its more reliable then the spell.

Not really. Assume that the failure rate on the rod is around 3%. A mage may still want to carry the rod (or some wands) for
* Blindness.
* Amnesia
* Preserving mana

[ehertlein]

I didn't think so on the Rod of Probing, I'll sell that off.

As far as the Rod of Teleport Other... 3% is much lower then the 30 something fail rate that the spell currently has for me. I'll be keeping that!

[Pete Mack]

As far as the Rod of Teleport Other... 3% is much lower then the 30 something fail rate that the spell currently has for me. I'll be keeping that!

In that case, the failure rate may be a bit higher--if you have a "Superb" Magic device skill, then the fail rate is 4%-5.5%. If your device skill is "Heroic", the fail rate is 3%-3.7%. In any case, it's a very nice find.

[bebo]

If your device skill is "Heroic", the fail rate is 3%-3.7%.

btw, I always found this way of informing the player of their skill level a bit uncomprehensible, although flavourful: for example, i thought until now that "superb" was higher than "heroic"... There ought to be a better way to give this information, even if absolute numerical values can't be used here, since they don't have much meaning (right?).

Anyone has ideas? I love the way in the new versions saving throws and other skills are displayed clearly

[ehertlein]

Thought I might ask for advice. I feel pretty safe at 40, so I dove to 50 and cherry picked a few things here and there, but that feels like I'm really towing the edge for how much damage I can deal.

I'd really like to get a winner out of this guy... he feels pretty promising.

[ehertlein]

Good bye Obere...

Finally died tonight trying to get into a vault at level 60...

I was fighting some Earth Hounds and waiting for The Lernaean Hydra turn come around the bend to I could teleport him away. Well... he came around the corner and breathed before I could act.

Doh well...

[Pete Mack]

btw, I always found this way of informing the player of their skill level a bit uncomprehensible, although flavourful: for example, i thought until now that "superb" was higher than "heroic"... There ought to be a better way to give this information, even if absolute numerical values can't be used here, since they don't have much meaning (right?).

Anyone has ideas? I love the way in the new versions saving throws and other skills are displayed clearly

I believe that actual fail rates will be displayed in the description of magic devices. Since fail rate depends on object level, this is pretty much the only option. Or you can get a pretty good feel from calculating a few examples from the formula:

fail_rate = 3/(player_skill - object_level)

BTW: my calculation was wrong, because I calculated for object level 35, not 45. "Superb" fail rate for Rod of Teleport other ranges from

3/(54-45) = 33%

to

3/(78-45) = 9%

If your fail rate is less than Heroic, wands are much, much better.