YASD: first go with a paladin, got killed by an angel - lol

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  • bebo
    Adept
    • Jan 2009
    • 213

    YASD: first go with a paladin, got killed by an angel - lol

    After my first win ever with a rogue, i was in a mind to try an NPP mage like Pete Mack suggested to me, but out of curiosity i created a dunadan paladin in V, to check out the priest spell selection.

    I also decided to try randarts, which proved to be quite interesting - i don't know if i was particularly lucky, but i found quite a few at depths i normally almost never found any, even though they were not that powerful; if this is an unintended side effect of randarts, it's a good one - finding more early low power artifacts makes the game more interesting.

    Anyway, a few preliminary observations:
    - lack of stealth is a real pain, being used to rogues i almost got killed more times than i can tell (and in the end actually that got me killed)
    - lack of decent detection (until the dungeon spellbook - see later) is also a pain, especially since you can't detect hounds except the invisible ones
    - resist cold&fire and magic mapping are ace!
    - early access to portal is also great, it essentially has the same purpose of teleport

    So, back to the report: i was at dlvl59, clvl28, sorely underpowered, until a few turns before lacking as usual -TelOther, and getting really pissed off by my inability to detect non-evil non-invisible monsters (just a bit before i turned a corner and found myself face to face with a drolem.....) - when i detect lying on the floor spellbook 6; you guessed it, it's the one with detect monsters in it - at last! I also found out that Uriel was close by, still sleeping. I was also slowed down by some good finds in my pack/equipment - the situation was very risky.

    I decided to go for it, and was able to greb the spellbook, also detect for some treasure etc and identify some more loot, and finally activate the rod of recall, and start moving out of line of sight from uriel. My low speed got me - uriel woke up, cast a fire ball + breathed fire on me - and i'm toast.

    Lesson learned: use more _Speed when i find them, never get slowed by inventory, and resist to greed

    Code:
      [Angband 3.1.1 dev (r1278) Character Dump]
    
     Name   Raziel                                   Self  RB  CB  EB   Best
     Sex    Male         Age             64   Str:  18/20  +1  +3  +0  18/60     17
     Race   Dunadan      Height          76   Int:     10  +2  -3  +4     13     11
     Class  Paladin      Weight         161   WIS:     17  +2  +1  +5  18/70
     Title  Knight       Social       Known   DEX:     11  +2  +0  +7  18/20
     HP     -190/390     Maximize         Y   CON:     18  +3  +2  +6 18/110
     SP     71/71                             CHR:     12  +2  +2  +3  18/10
    
    
     Level               28   Armor    [22,+67]     Saving Throw         65%
     Cur Exp          81199   Fight    (+2,+13)     Stealth        Very Good
     Max Exp          81199   Melee    (+5,+21)     Fighting          Heroic
     Adv Exp         107500   Shoot   (+23,+14)     Shooting          Superb
     MaxDepth   2950' (L59)   Blows      1/turn     Disarming            43%
     Turns           255842   Shots      1/turn     Magic Device      Superb
     Gold             59087   Infra        0 ft     Perception       1 in 35
     Burden       174.9 lbs   Speed          -4     Searching            15%
    
     You are the illegitimate but acknowledged child of a Serf.  You are a
     credit to the family.  You have brown eyes, wavy brown hair, and an
     average complexion.
    
    
     Acid:+.......+.... Confu:......+......
     Elec:+.......+.... Sound:.............
     Fire:+.......+.... Shard:.............
     Cold:+............ Nexus:.............
     Pois:......+...... Nethr:......+......
     Fear:......+.+.... Chaos:.............
     Lite:......+...... Disen:........+....
     Dark:............. S.Dig:.............
    Blind:............. Feath:+.....+......
    
    PLite:............. Aggrv:.............
    Regen:++........... Stea.:+............
    Telep:............. Sear.:.............
    Invis:+............ Infra:.............
    FrAct:++........... Tunn.:.............
    HLife:......+....+. Speed:.............
    ImpHP:............. Blows:.............
    ImpSP:............. Shots:.............
     Fear:............. Might:.+...........
    
    
      [Last Messages]
    
    > You sense the presence of doors and stairs!
    > Illegal object choice (tag)!
    > You sense the presence of objects!
    > Inscribing 3 Platinum Rods of Treasure Location (1 charging) {@z3!!}.
    > Inscribing 3 Lead Rods of Door/Stair Location (1 charging) {@z1!!}.
    > You sense the presence of traps!
    > You sense the presence of monsters!
    > You have no room for a Bastard Sword (3d4).
    > On the ground: a Bastard Sword (3d4) (+2,+6).
    > You have 27 Scrolls titled "prota qualmeon" of Identify (h).
    > The air about you becomes charged...
    > It casts a fire ball.
    > One of your Silver Staves of Speed (6 charges) {!*} (r) was destroyed!
    > It breathes fire.
    > You die.
    
    Killed by Uriel, Angel of Fire.
    
      [Character Equipment]
    
    a) a Cutlass (Defender) (1d8) (+3,+8) [+2] (+2 stealth)
         +2 stealth.
         Provides resistance to acid, lightning, fire, cold.
         Cannot be harmed by acid, electricity, fire, cold.
         Sustains intelligence.
         Feather Falling.
         Speeds regeneration.
         Prevents paralysis.
         Grants the ability to see invisible things.
         With this weapon, you would currently get 1 blow per round,
         averaging a damage of 26 against normal creatures.
         
         With this item, you can expect to clear rubble in 11 turns, magma
         veins in 44 turns, and not affect quartz veins.
    b) a Short Bow of Lothlorien (x2) (+21,+14) (+2)
         +2 dexterity, shooting power.
         Cannot be harmed by acid, fire.
         Speeds regeneration.
         Prevents paralysis.
    c) an Emerald Ring of Damage (+0,+11)
    d) an Alexandrite Ring of Constitution (+6)
         +6 constitution.
         Sustains constitution.
    e) (nothing)
    f) a Lantern (Everburning)
         Cannot be harmed by fire.
         Radius 2 light.  No fuel required.
    g) The Metal Scale Mail 'Halda' (-2) [12,+18] (+3) {!!}
         +3 wisdom, dexterity, charisma.
         Provides resistance to poison, fear, light, confusion, nether.
         Cannot be harmed by acid, electricity, fire, cold.
         Sustains strength.
         Feather Falling.
         Stops experience drain.
         When activated, it creates a frost ball with damage 100.
         It takes 24 turns to recharge after use at your current speed.
    h) a Cloak [1,+2]
    i) The Wicker Shield of Agalval (+1,+0) [2,+21] (+1)
         +1 intelligence.
         Provides resistance to acid, lightning, fire, fear, disenchantment.
         Cannot be harmed by acid, electricity, fire, cold.
    j) a Hard Leather Cap of Wisdom [2,+2] (+2)
         +2 wisdom.
         Sustains wisdom.
    k) a Set of Gauntlets of Agility [3,+4] (+2)
         +2 dexterity.
    l) The Pair of Leather Boots 'Ostar' [2,+16] (+3) {!!}
         +3 intelligence.
         Cannot be harmed by acid, electricity, fire, cold.
         Stops experience drain.
         When activated, it fires a magic missile with damage 3d4.
         It takes 1 turns to recharge after use at your current speed.
    
    
      [Character Inventory]
    
    a) 2 Holy Books of Prayers [Beginners Handbook] {@m1@b1}
    b) a Holy Book of Prayers [Words of Wisdom] {@m2@b2}
    c) 2 Holy Books of Prayers [Chants and Blessings] {@m3@b3}
    d) 2 Holy Books of Prayers [Ethereal Openings] {@m5@b5}
         Cannot be harmed by acid, electricity, fire, cold.
    e) a Holy Book of Prayers [Godly Insights] {@m6@b6}
         Cannot be harmed by acid, electricity, fire, cold.
    f) 10 Gold Speckled Potions of Cure Critical Wounds
    g) 20 Scrolls titled "con to neo no" of Phase Door
    h) 26 Scrolls titled "prota qualmeon" of Identify
    i) 6 Scrolls titled "cidrut culaudh" of Recharging
    j) 3 Scrolls titled "nimo weda in" of Deep Descent {!*}
    k) 3 Platinum Rods of Treasure Location (1 charging) {@z1!!}
    l) 3 Lead Rods of Door/Stair Location (1 charging) {@z2!!}
    m) a Cast Iron Rod of Recall (charging) {!*}
         Cannot be harmed by electricity.
    n) a Rusty Wand of Teleport Other (1 charge)
    o) a Dogwood Staff of Detect Invisible (19 charges)
    p) a Birch Staff of Mapping (7 charges)
    q) 4 Mulberry Staves of Teleportation (24 charges) {!*}
    r) a Silver Staff of Speed (3 charges) {!*}
    s) an Opal Ring of Delving (+4) (charging) {!!}
         +4 tunneling.
         When activated, it turns rock into mud.
         It takes 11 to 24 turns to recharge after use at your current
         speed.
         
         With this item, you can expect to clear rubble in 2.0 turns, magma
         veins in 4.4 turns, quartz veins in 10 turns, and granite in 27 
         turns.
    t) The Robe of Aurufin [2,+18]
         Provides resistance to blindness, sound.
         Cannot be harmed by acid, electricity, fire, cold.
    u) a Lucerne Hammer of *Slay Undead* (2d5) (+9,+11) (+2)
         +2 wisdom.
         Grants the ability to see invisible things.
         With this weapon, you would currently get 1 blow per round,
         averaging a damage of 56.1 against undead, and 30.9 against normal
         creatures.
         
         With this item, you can expect to clear rubble in 10 turns, magma
         veins in 40 turns, and not affect quartz veins.
    v) a Whip of Slay Dragon (1d3) (+11,+10)
         With this weapon, you would currently get 2 blows per round.  Each
         blow will do an average damage of 29.5 against dragons, and 25.4
         against normal creatures.
         
         With this item, you can expect to clear rubble in 18 turns, magma
         veins in 400 turns, and not affect quartz veins.
    w) 19 Arrows (1d4) (+4,+2)
         Fired from your current missile launcher, this arrow will hit targets
         up to 140 feet away, inflicting an average damage of 74.7 against
         normal creatures.
         35% chance of breaking upon contact.
    
    
      [Home Inventory]
    
    a) 3 Holy Books of Prayers [Exorcism and Dispelling] {@m4@b4}
    b) a Holy Book of Prayers [Purifications and Healing] {@m7@b7}
         Cannot be harmed by acid, electricity, fire, cold.
         
    c) 2 Gloopy Green Potions of Restore Mana {!*}
         When ingested, it restores your mana points to maximum.
    d) 2 Puce Potions of Restore Life Levels
         When ingested, it restores your experience.
    e) a Ruby Ring of Strength (+5)
         +5 strength.
         Sustains strength.
         
    f) The Studded Leather Armour of Gundorod (-1) [6,+14] (+4)
         +4 strength, charisma.
         Provides resistance to fear, dark.
         Cannot be harmed by acid, electricity, fire, cold.
         Slows your metabolism.
         
    g) a Pair of Steel Shod Boots of Stability [6,+15]
         Provides resistance to nexus.
         Feather Falling.
         
    h) The Sling of Echar (x2) (+9,+13) (+2) {!!}
         +2 shooting power.
         Cannot be harmed by acid, electricity, fire, cold.
         
         When activated, it creates a fire bolt with damage 9d8.
         It takes 6 to 11 turns to recharge after use at your current speed.
    
    
      [Options]
    
    Maximize effect of race/class bonuses        : yes (adult_maximize)
    Randomize some of the artifacts (beta)       : yes (adult_randarts)
    Restrict the use of stairs/recall            : no  (adult_ironman)
    Restrict the use of stores/home              : no  (adult_no_stores)
    Restrict creation of artifacts               : no  (adult_no_artifacts)
    Don't stack objects on the floor             : no  (adult_no_stacking)
    Lose artifacts when leaving level            : no  (adult_no_preserve)
    Don't generate connected stairs              : no  (adult_no_stairs)
    Adult: Monsters chase current location       : yes (adult_ai_sound)
    Adult: Monsters chase recent locations       : yes (adult_ai_smell)
    Adult: Monsters act smarter in groups        : yes (adult_ai_packs)
    Adult: Monsters learn from their mistakes    : no  (adult_ai_learn)
    Adult: Monsters exploit players weaknesses   : no  (adult_ai_cheat)
    Adult: Monsters behave more intelligently (broken): no  (adult_ai_smart)
    Score: Peek into object creation             : no  (score_peek)
    Score: Peek into monster creation            : no  (score_hear)
    Score: Peek into dungeon creation            : no  (score_room)
    Score: Peek into something else              : no  (score_xtra)
    Score: Know complete monster info            : no  (score_know)
    Score: Allow player to avoid death           : no  (score_live)
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  • Pete Mack
    Prophet
    • Apr 2007
    • 6883

    #2
    Looks to me like you were killed by a combination of Uriel and Dreads, not so much carrying to much stuff in your pack. Your STR is down 7 from it's max, which is quite a lot. (That's ~13 strength-draining blows from a group of Dreads.)

    Rods of Light might of helped, too.

    (I too find Paladins to be a frustrating class, because of bad stealth, bad DEX, and late detection.)

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    • bebo
      Adept
      • Jan 2009
      • 213

      #3
      Originally posted by Pete Mack
      Looks to me like you were killed by a combination of Uriel and Dreads, not so much carrying to much stuff in your pack. Your STR is down 7 from it's max, which is quite a lot. (That's ~13 strength-draining blows from a group of Dreads.)
      I think it was a single ninja/dagashi/whatever, they move at high speed and have lots of strength draining attacks; i had some previous encounters with death quasits that proved even more annoying, considering they move through walls, although they drain 'only' DEX.
      My first winner! http://angband.oook.cz/ladder-show.php?id=8681
      And my second! http://angband.oook.cz/ladder-show.php?id=8872
      And the third! http://angband.oook.cz/ladder-show.php?id=9452
      And the fourth! http://angband.oook.cz/ladder-show.php?id=10513
      And the fifth! http://angband.oook.cz/ladder-show.php?id=10631
      And the sixth! http://angband.oook.cz/ladder-show.php?id=10990

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      • Magnate
        Angband Devteam member
        • May 2007
        • 5110

        #4
        Originally posted by bebo
        I also decided to try randarts, which proved to be quite interesting - i don't know if i was particularly lucky, but i found quite a few at depths i normally almost never found any, even though they were not that powerful; if this is an unintended side effect of randarts, it's a good one - finding more early low power artifacts makes the game more interesting.
        It is intended - I'm glad it's working.
        g) The Metal Scale Mail 'Halda' (-2) [12,+18] (+3) {!!}
        +3 wisdom, dexterity, charisma.
        Provides resistance to poison, fear, light, confusion, nether.
        Cannot be harmed by acid, electricity, fire, cold.
        Sustains strength.
        Feather Falling.
        Stops experience drain.
        When activated, it creates a frost ball with damage 100.
        It takes 24 turns to recharge after use at your current speed.
        Judging from the activation, this is based on a fairly powerful artifact (Aeglos, I think). Five high resists would seem to bear that out. So this is a fairly lucky find (where did you find it?).
        i) The Wicker Shield of Agalval (+1,+0) [2,+21] (+1)
        +1 intelligence.
        Provides resistance to acid, lightning, fire, fear, disenchantment.
        Cannot be harmed by acid, electricity, fire, cold.

        l) The Pair of Leather Boots 'Ostar' [2,+16] (+3) {!!}
        +3 intelligence.
        Cannot be harmed by acid, electricity, fire, cold.
        Stops experience drain.
        When activated, it fires a magic missile with damage 3d4.
        It takes 1 turns to recharge after use at your current speed.

        t) The Robe of Aurufin [2,+18]
        Provides resistance to blindness, sound.
        Cannot be harmed by acid, electricity, fire, cold.
        These are all exactly the kind of early finds that I was hoping to see - the boots are based on Cammithrim, I think. Perhaps not quite as nice as Cammithrim, but not bad.
        h) The Sling of Echar (x2) (+9,+13) (+2) {!!}
        +2 shooting power.
        Cannot be harmed by acid, electricity, fire, cold.

        When activated, it creates a fire bolt with damage 9d8.
        It takes 6 to 11 turns to recharge after use at your current speed.
        This, on the other hand, is almost powerful enough to count as broken, since it's based on Narthanc, which is way less useful. Mind you, it has +2 might and nothing else, so it's not that awesome. I had no idea a 'thanc could produce a launcher like this - very encouraging.

        CC
        "Been away so long I hardly knew the place, gee it's good to be back home" - The Beatles

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        • bebo
          Adept
          • Jan 2009
          • 213

          #5
          Originally posted by Magnate
          Judging from the activation, this is based on a fairly powerful artifact (Aeglos, I think). Five high resists would seem to bear that out. So this is a fairly lucky find (where did you find it?).
          I found it just a couple dlvls earlier in a minor vault if i remember correctly (i used up the -TelOther i just found seconds before, thankfully i bought some ?recharge in town before) - and you are right, it's an excellent (ie very lucky) find - which probably spelled my chars doom
          My first winner! http://angband.oook.cz/ladder-show.php?id=8681
          And my second! http://angband.oook.cz/ladder-show.php?id=8872
          And the third! http://angband.oook.cz/ladder-show.php?id=9452
          And the fourth! http://angband.oook.cz/ladder-show.php?id=10513
          And the fifth! http://angband.oook.cz/ladder-show.php?id=10631
          And the sixth! http://angband.oook.cz/ladder-show.php?id=10990

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